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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>,
	Hillf Danton <hillf.zj@alibaba-inc.com>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] OOM detection rework v4
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 15:58:44 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151216155844.d1c3a5f35bc98072a80f939e@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1450203586-10959-1-git-send-email-mhocko@kernel.org>

On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 19:19:43 +0100 Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org> wrote:

> 
> ...
>
> * base kernel
> $ grep "Killed process" base-oom-run1.log | tail -n1
> [  211.824379] Killed process 3086 (mem_eater) total-vm:85852kB, anon-rss:81996kB, file-rss:332kB, shmem-rss:0kB
> $ grep "Killed process" base-oom-run2.log | tail -n1
> [  157.188326] Killed process 3094 (mem_eater) total-vm:85852kB, anon-rss:81996kB, file-rss:368kB, shmem-rss:0kB
> 
> $ grep "invoked oom-killer" base-oom-run1.log | wc -l
> 78
> $ grep "invoked oom-killer" base-oom-run2.log | wc -l
> 76
> 
> The number of OOM invocations is consistent with my last measurements
> but the runtime is way too different (it took 800+s).

I'm seeing 211 seconds vs 157 seconds?  If so, that's not toooo bad.  I
assume the 800+s is sum-across-multiple-CPUs?  Given that all the CPUs
are pounding away at the same data and the same disk, that doesn't
sound like very interesting info - the overall elapsed time is the
thing to look at in this case.

> One thing that
> could have skewed results was that I was tail -f the serial log on the
> host system to see the progress. I have stopped doing that. The results
> are more consistent now but still too different from the last time.
> This is really weird so I've retested with the last 4.2 mmotm again and
> I am getting consistent ~220s which is really close to the above. If I
> apply the WQ vmstat patch on top I am getting close to 160s so the stale
> vmstat counters made a difference which is to be expected. I have a new
> SSD in my laptop which migh have made a difference but I wouldn't expect
> it to be that large.
> 
> $ grep "DMA32.*all_unreclaimable? no" base-oom-run1.log | wc -l
> 4
> $ grep "DMA32.*all_unreclaimable? no" base-oom-run2.log | wc -l
> 1
> 
> * patched kernel
> $ grep "Killed process" patched-oom-run1.log | tail -n1
> [  341.164930] Killed process 3099 (mem_eater) total-vm:85852kB, anon-rss:82000kB, file-rss:336kB, shmem-rss:0kB
> $ grep "Killed process" patched-oom-run2.log | tail -n1
> [  349.111539] Killed process 3082 (mem_eater) total-vm:85852kB, anon-rss:81996kB, file-rss:4kB, shmem-rss:0kB

Even better.

> $ grep "invoked oom-killer" patched-oom-run1.log | wc -l
> 78
> $ grep "invoked oom-killer" patched-oom-run2.log | wc -l
> 77
> 
> $ grep "DMA32.*all_unreclaimable? no" patched-oom-run1.log | wc -l
> 1
> $ grep "DMA32.*all_unreclaimable? no" patched-oom-run2.log | wc -l
> 0
> 
> So the number of OOM killer invocation is the same but the overall
> runtime of the test was much longer with the patched kernel. This can be
> attributed to more retries in general. The results from the base kernel
> are quite inconsitent and I think that consistency is better here.

It's hard to say how long declaration of oom should take.  Correctness
comes first.  But what is "correct"?  oom isn't a binary condition -
there's a chance that if we keep churning away for another 5 minutes
we'll be able to satisfy this allocation (but probably not the next
one).  There are tradeoffs between promptness-of-declaring-oom and
exhaustiveness-in-avoiding-it.

> 
> 2) 2 writers again with 10s of run and then 10 mem_eaters to consume as much
>    memory as possible without triggering the OOM killer. This required a lot
>    of tuning but I've considered 3 consecutive runs without OOM as a success.

"a lot of tuning" sounds bad.  It means that the tuning settings you
have now for a particular workload on a particular machine will be
wrong for other workloads and machines.  uh-oh.

> ...

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-12-16 23:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 152+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-12-15 18:19 Michal Hocko
2015-12-15 18:19 ` [PATCH 1/3] mm, oom: rework oom detection Michal Hocko
2016-01-14 22:58   ` David Rientjes
2016-01-16  1:07     ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-01-19 22:48       ` David Rientjes
2016-01-20 11:13         ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-01-20 13:13           ` Michal Hocko
2016-04-04  8:23   ` Vladimir Davydov
2016-04-04  9:42     ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-15 18:19 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm: throttle on IO only when there are too many dirty and writeback pages Michal Hocko
2016-03-17 11:35   ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-03-17 12:01     ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-15 18:19 ` [PATCH 3/3] mm: use watermak checks for __GFP_REPEAT high order allocations Michal Hocko
2015-12-16 23:35 ` [PATCH 0/3] OOM detection rework v4 Andrew Morton
2015-12-18 12:12   ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-16 23:58 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2015-12-18 13:15   ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-18 16:35     ` Johannes Weiner
2015-12-24 12:41 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-12-28 12:08   ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-12-28 14:13     ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-01-06 12:44       ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-01-08 12:37       ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-29 16:32     ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-30 15:05       ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-01-02 15:47         ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-01-20 12:24           ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-27 23:18             ` David Rientjes
2016-01-28 21:19               ` Michal Hocko
2015-12-29 16:27   ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-28 20:40 ` [PATCH 4/3] mm, oom: drop the last allocation attempt before out_of_memory Michal Hocko
2016-01-28 21:36   ` Johannes Weiner
2016-01-28 23:19     ` David Rientjes
2016-01-28 23:51       ` Johannes Weiner
2016-01-29 10:39         ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-01-29 15:32         ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-30 12:18           ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-01-29 15:23       ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-29 15:24     ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-28 21:19 ` [PATCH 5/3] mm, vmscan: make zone_reclaimable_pages more precise Michal Hocko
2016-01-28 23:20   ` David Rientjes
2016-01-29  3:41   ` Hillf Danton
2016-01-29 10:35   ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-01-29 15:17     ` Michal Hocko
2016-01-29 21:30       ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-02-03 13:27 ` [PATCH 0/3] OOM detection rework v4 Michal Hocko
2016-02-03 22:58   ` David Rientjes
2016-02-04 12:57     ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-04 13:10       ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-02-04 13:39         ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-04 14:24           ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-07  4:09           ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-02-15 20:06             ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-16 13:10               ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-02-16 15:19                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-25  3:47   ` Hugh Dickins
2016-02-25  6:48     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-25  9:17       ` Hillf Danton
2016-02-25  9:27         ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-25  9:48           ` Hillf Danton
2016-02-25 11:02             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-02-25  9:23     ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-26  6:32       ` Hugh Dickins
2016-02-26  7:54         ` Hillf Danton
2016-02-26  9:24           ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-26 10:27             ` Hillf Danton
2016-02-26 13:49               ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-26  9:33         ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-29 21:02       ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-02  2:19         ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-02  9:50           ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-02 13:32             ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-02 14:06               ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-02 14:34                 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-03  9:26                   ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-03 10:29                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-03-03 14:10                     ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-03 15:25                       ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-04  5:23                         ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-04 15:15                           ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-04 17:39                             ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-07  5:23                             ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-03 15:50                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-03 16:26                         ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-04  7:10                         ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-02 15:01             ` Minchan Kim
2016-03-07 16:08         ` [PATCH] mm, oom: protect !costly allocations some more (was: Re: [PATCH 0/3] OOM detection rework v4) Michal Hocko
2016-03-08  3:51           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-08  9:08             ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-08  9:24               ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-08  9:24           ` [PATCH] mm, oom: protect !costly allocations some more Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-08  9:32             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-08  9:46             ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-08  9:52               ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-08 10:10                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 11:12                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-08 12:22                     ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 12:29                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-08  9:58           ` [PATCH] mm, oom: protect !costly allocations some more (was: Re: [PATCH 0/3] OOM detection rework v4) Sergey Senozhatsky
2016-03-08 13:57             ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 10:36           ` Hugh Dickins
2016-03-08 13:42           ` [PATCH 0/2] oom rework: high order enahncements Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 13:42             ` [PATCH 1/3] mm, compaction: change COMPACT_ constants into enum Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 14:19               ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-09  3:55               ` Hillf Danton
2016-03-08 13:42             ` [PATCH 2/3] mm, compaction: cover all compaction mode in compact_zone Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 14:22               ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-09  3:57               ` Hillf Danton
2016-03-08 13:42             ` [PATCH 3/3] mm, oom: protect !costly allocations some more Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 14:34               ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-08 14:48                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 15:03                   ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-09 11:11               ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-09 14:07                 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-11 12:17                 ` Hugh Dickins
2016-03-11 13:06                   ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-11 19:08                     ` Hugh Dickins
2016-03-14 16:21                       ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 15:19           ` [PATCH] mm, oom: protect !costly allocations some more (was: Re: [PATCH 0/3] OOM detection rework v4) Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-08 16:05             ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-08 17:03               ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-09 10:41                 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-11 14:53                   ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-11 15:20                     ` Michal Hocko
2016-02-29 20:35     ` [PATCH 0/3] OOM detection rework v4 Michal Hocko
2016-03-01  7:29       ` Hugh Dickins
2016-03-01 13:38         ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-01 14:40           ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-01 18:14           ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-02  2:55             ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-02 12:37               ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-02 14:06                 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-02 12:24             ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-02 13:00               ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-02 13:22               ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-02  2:28           ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-02 12:39             ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-03  9:54           ` Hugh Dickins
2016-03-03 12:32             ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-03 20:57               ` Hugh Dickins
2016-03-04  7:41                 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-04  7:53             ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-04 12:28             ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-11 10:45 ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-03-11 13:08   ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-11 13:32     ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-03-11 15:28       ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-11 16:49         ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-03-11 17:00           ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-11 17:20             ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-03-12  4:08               ` Tetsuo Handa
2016-03-13 14:41                 ` Tetsuo Handa

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