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From: Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>
To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Cc: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [RFC 1/4] mm, compaction: introduce kcompactd
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 14:33:19 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150724053319.GA11135@js1304-P5Q-DELUXE> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.10.1507231353400.31024@chino.kir.corp.google.com>

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 01:58:20PM -0700, David Rientjes wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Jul 2015, Joonsoo Kim wrote:
> 
> > > The slub allocator does try to allocate its high-order memory with 
> > > __GFP_WAIT before falling back to lower orders if possible.  I would think 
> > > that this would be the greatest sign of on-demand memory compaction being 
> > > a problem, especially since CONFIG_SLUB is the default, but I haven't seen 
> > > such reports.
> > 
> > In fact, some of our product had trouble with slub's high order
> > allocation 5 months ago. At that time, compaction didn't make high order
> > page and compaction attempts are frequently deferred. It also causes many
> > reclaim to make high order page so I suggested masking out __GFP_WAIT
> > and adding __GFP_NO_KSWAPD when trying slub's high order allocation to
> > reduce reclaim/compaction overhead. Although using high order page in slub
> > has some gains that reducing internal fragmentation and reducing management
> > overhead, benefit is marginal compared to the cost at making high order
> > page. This solution improves system response time for our case. I planned
> > to submit the patch but it is delayed due to my laziness. :)
> > 
> 
> Hi Joonsoo,

Hello David.

> 
> On a fragmented machine I can certainly understand that the overhead 
> involved in allocating the high-order page outweighs the benefit later and 
> it's better to fallback more quickly to page orders if the cache allows 
> it.
> 
> I believe that this would be improved by the suggestion of doing 
> background synchronous compaction.  So regardless of whether __GFP_WAIT is 
> set, if the allocation fails then we can kick off background compaction 
> that will hopefully defragment memory for future callers.  That should 
> make high-order atomic allocations more successful as well.

Yep! I also think __GFP_NO_KSWAPD isn't appropriate for general case.
Reason I suggested __GFP_NO_KSWAPD to our system is that reclaim/compaction
continually fails to make high order page so we don't want to invoke
reclaim/compaction even though it works in background. But, on almost of
other system, reclaim/compaction could succeed so adding __GFP_NO_KSWAPD
doens't make sense for general case.

Thanks.

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  reply	other threads:[~2015-07-24  5:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-02  8:46 [RFC v2 0/4] Outsourcing compaction for THP allocations to kcompactd Vlastimil Babka
2015-07-02  8:46 ` [RFC 1/4] mm, compaction: introduce kcompactd Vlastimil Babka
2015-07-09 21:53   ` David Rientjes
2015-07-21  9:03     ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-07-21 23:07       ` David Rientjes
2015-07-22 15:23         ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-07-22 22:36           ` David Rientjes
2015-07-23  9:18             ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-07-23 21:21               ` David Rientjes
2015-07-24  6:16                 ` Joonsoo Kim
2015-07-24  6:45                 ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-07-29  0:33                   ` David Rientjes
2015-07-29  6:34                     ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-07-29 21:54                       ` David Rientjes
2015-07-29 23:57                       ` Dave Chinner
2015-07-23  6:03     ` Joonsoo Kim
2015-07-23 20:58       ` David Rientjes
2015-07-24  5:33         ` Joonsoo Kim [this message]
2015-07-30 10:58   ` Mel Gorman
2015-07-31 21:17     ` David Rientjes
2015-07-02  8:46 ` [RFC 2/4] mm, thp: stop preallocating hugepages in khugepaged Vlastimil Babka
2015-07-02  8:46 ` [RFC 3/4] mm, thp: check for hugepage availability " Vlastimil Babka
2015-07-02  8:46 ` [RFC 4/4] mm, thp: check hugepage availability for fault allocations Vlastimil Babka
2015-07-24 14:22 ` [RFC v2 0/4] Outsourcing compaction for THP allocations to kcompactd Rik van Riel
2015-07-27  9:30   ` Vlastimil Babka

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