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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>
Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] Move away from non-failing small allocations
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 15:38:43 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150316153843.af945a9e452404c22c4db999@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1426107294-21551-1-git-send-email-mhocko@suse.cz>

On Wed, 11 Mar 2015 16:54:52 -0400 Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz> wrote:

> as per discussion at LSF/MM summit few days back it seems there is a
> general agreement on moving away from "small allocations do not fail"
> concept.

Such a change affects basically every part of the kernel and every
kernel developer.  I expect most developers will say "it works well
enough and I'm not getting any bug reports so why should I spend time
on this?".  It would help if we were to explain the justification very
clearly.  https://lwn.net/Articles/636017/ is Jon's writeup of the
conference discussion.

Realistically, I don't think this overall effort will be successful -
we'll add the knob, it won't get enough testing and any attempt to
alter the default will be us deliberately destabilizing the kernel
without knowing how badly :(


I wonder if we can alter the behaviour only for filesystem code, so we
constrain the new behaviour just to that code where we're having
problems.  Most/all fs code goes via vfs methods so there's a reasonably
small set of places where we can call

static inline void enter_fs_code(struct super_block *sb)
{
	if (sb->my_small_allocations_can_fail)
		current->small_allocations_can_fail++;
}

that way (or something similar) we can select the behaviour on a per-fs
basis and the rest of the kernel remains unaffected.  Other subsystems
can opt in as well.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-03-16 22:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-03-11 20:54 Michal Hocko
2015-03-11 20:54 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm: Allow small allocations to fail Michal Hocko
2015-03-12 12:54   ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-03-12 13:12     ` Michal Hocko
2015-03-15  5:43   ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-03-15 12:13     ` Michal Hocko
2015-03-15 13:06       ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-03-16  7:46         ` [PATCH 1/2 v2] " Michal Hocko
2015-03-16 21:11           ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-17 10:25             ` Michal Hocko
2015-03-17 13:29               ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-17 14:17                 ` Michal Hocko
2015-03-17 17:26                   ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-17 19:41                     ` Michal Hocko
2015-03-18  9:10                       ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-03-18 12:04                         ` Michal Hocko
2015-03-18 12:36                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-03-18 11:35                       ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-03-17 11:13           ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-03-17 13:15             ` Michal Hocko
2015-03-18 11:33               ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-03-18 12:23                 ` Michal Hocko
2015-03-19 11:03                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-03-11 20:54 ` [PATCH 2/2] mmotm: Enable small allocation " Michal Hocko
2015-03-11 22:36 ` [PATCH 0/2] Move away from non-failing small allocations Sasha Levin
2015-03-16 22:38 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2015-03-17  9:07   ` Michal Hocko
2015-03-17 14:06     ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-04-02 11:53       ` Tetsuo Handa

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