From: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
To: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>
Cc: mhocko@suse.cz, david@fromorbit.com, dchinner@redhat.com,
linux-mm@kvack.org, rientjes@google.com, oleg@redhat.com,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, mgorman@suse.de,
torvalds@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: How to handle TIF_MEMDIE stalls?
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 08:16:18 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150217131618.GA14778@phnom.home.cmpxchg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201502172057.GCD09362.FtHQMVSLJOFFOO@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 08:57:05PM +0900, Tetsuo Handa wrote:
> Johannes Weiner wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 08:23:16PM +0900, Tetsuo Handa wrote:
> > > (2) Implement TIF_MEMDIE timeout.
> >
> > How about something like this? This should solve the deadlock problem
> > in the page allocator, but it would also simplify the memcg OOM killer
> > and allow its use by in-kernel faults again.
>
> Yes, basic idea would be same with
> http://marc.info/?l=linux-mm&m=142002495532320&w=2 .
>
> But Michal and David do not like the timeout approach.
> http://marc.info/?l=linux-mm&m=141684783713564&w=2
> http://marc.info/?l=linux-mm&m=141686814824684&w=2
I'm open to suggestions, but we can't just stick our heads in the sand
and pretend that these are just unrelated bugs. They're not. As long
as it's legal to enter the allocator with *anything* that can prevent
another random task in the system from making progress, we have this
deadlock potential. One side has to give up, and it can't be the page
allocator because it has to support __GFP_NOFAIL allocations, which
are usually exactly the allocations that are buried in hard-to-unwind
state that is likely to trip up exiting OOM victims.
The alternative would be lock dependency tracking, but I'm not sure it
can be realistically done for production environments.
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Thread overview: 177+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-12-12 13:54 [RFC PATCH] oom: Don't count on mm-less current process Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-16 12:47 ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-17 11:54 ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-17 13:08 ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-18 12:11 ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-18 15:33 ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-19 12:07 ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-19 12:49 ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-20 9:13 ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-20 11:42 ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-22 20:25 ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-23 1:00 ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-23 9:51 ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-23 11:46 ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-23 11:57 ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-23 12:12 ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-23 12:27 ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-23 12:24 ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-23 13:00 ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-23 13:09 ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-23 13:20 ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-23 13:43 ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-23 14:11 ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-23 14:57 ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-19 12:22 ` How to handle TIF_MEMDIE stalls? Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-20 2:03 ` Dave Chinner
2014-12-20 12:41 ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-20 22:35 ` Dave Chinner
2014-12-21 8:45 ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-21 20:42 ` Dave Chinner
2014-12-22 16:57 ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-22 21:30 ` Dave Chinner
2014-12-23 9:41 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-12-24 1:06 ` Dave Chinner
2014-12-24 2:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-12-29 18:19 ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-30 6:42 ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-30 11:21 ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-30 13:33 ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-31 10:24 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-09 11:44 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-10 13:58 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-10 15:19 ` Johannes Weiner
2015-02-11 2:23 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-11 13:37 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-11 18:50 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-02-11 18:59 ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-03-14 13:03 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-17 12:23 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-17 12:53 ` Johannes Weiner
2015-02-17 15:38 ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-17 22:54 ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-17 23:32 ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-18 8:25 ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-18 10:48 ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-18 12:16 ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-18 21:31 ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-19 9:40 ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-19 22:03 ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-20 9:27 ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-19 11:01 ` Johannes Weiner
2015-02-19 12:29 ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-19 12:58 ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-19 15:29 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-19 21:53 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-20 9:13 ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-20 13:37 ` Stefan Ring
2015-02-19 13:29 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-20 9:10 ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-20 12:20 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-20 12:38 ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-19 21:43 ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-20 12:48 ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-20 23:09 ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-19 10:24 ` Johannes Weiner
2015-02-19 22:52 ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-20 10:36 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-20 23:15 ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-21 3:20 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-02-21 9:19 ` Andrew Morton
2015-02-21 13:48 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-21 21:38 ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-22 0:20 ` Johannes Weiner
2015-02-23 10:48 ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-23 11:23 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-23 21:33 ` David Rientjes
2015-02-22 14:48 ` __GFP_NOFAIL and oom_killer_disabled? Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-23 10:21 ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-23 13:03 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-24 18:14 ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-25 11:22 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-25 16:02 ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-25 21:48 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-25 21:51 ` Andrew Morton
2015-02-21 12:00 ` How to handle TIF_MEMDIE stalls? Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-23 10:26 ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-21 11:12 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-21 21:48 ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-21 23:52 ` Johannes Weiner
2015-02-23 0:45 ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-23 1:29 ` Andrew Morton
2015-02-23 7:32 ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-27 18:24 ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-02-28 0:03 ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-28 15:17 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-03-02 9:39 ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-03-02 22:31 ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-03 9:13 ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-03-04 1:33 ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-04 8:50 ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-03-04 11:03 ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-07 0:20 ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-07 3:43 ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-07 15:08 ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-02 20:22 ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-02 23:12 ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-03 2:50 ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-04 6:52 ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-04 15:04 ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-04 17:38 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-03-04 23:17 ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-28 16:29 ` Johannes Weiner
2015-02-28 16:41 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-02-28 22:15 ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-01 11:17 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-03-06 11:53 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-03-01 13:43 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-03-01 16:15 ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-01 19:36 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-03-01 20:44 ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-01 20:17 ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-01 21:48 ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-02 0:17 ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-02 12:46 ` Brian Foster
2015-02-28 18:36 ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-03-02 15:18 ` Michal Hocko
2015-03-02 16:05 ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-02 17:10 ` Michal Hocko
2015-03-02 17:27 ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-02 16:39 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-03-02 16:58 ` Michal Hocko
2015-03-04 12:52 ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-17 14:59 ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-17 14:50 ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-17 14:37 ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-17 14:44 ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-16 11:23 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-16 15:42 ` Johannes Weiner
2015-02-17 11:57 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-17 13:16 ` Johannes Weiner [this message]
2015-02-17 16:50 ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-17 23:25 ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-18 8:48 ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-18 11:23 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-18 12:29 ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-18 14:06 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-18 14:25 ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-19 10:48 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-20 8:26 ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-23 22:08 ` David Rientjes
2015-02-24 11:20 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-24 15:20 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-02-24 21:02 ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-25 14:31 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-27 7:39 ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-27 12:42 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-27 13:12 ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-04 12:41 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-03-04 13:25 ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-04 14:11 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-03-05 1:36 ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-17 16:33 ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-29 17:40 ` [PATCH] mm: get rid of radix tree gfp mask for pagecache_get_page (was: Re: How to handle TIF_MEMDIE stalls?) Michal Hocko
2014-12-29 18:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-12-29 19:33 ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-30 13:42 ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-30 21:45 ` Linus Torvalds
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