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From: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>
To: mhocko@suse.cz
Cc: david@fromorbit.com, dchinner@redhat.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	rientjes@google.com, oleg@redhat.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	mgorman@suse.de, hannes@cmpxchg.org,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: How to handle TIF_MEMDIE stalls?
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2014 22:33:14 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201412302233.HDD82379.FFtOJQVFOOHSML@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141230112158.GA15546@dhcp22.suse.cz>

Michal Hocko wrote:
> So the OOM blocked task is sitting in the page fault caused by clearing
> the user buffer. According to your debugging patch this should be
> GFP_HIGHUSER_MOVABLE | __GFP_ZERO allocation which is the case where we
> retry without failing most of the time.

Oops, my debugging patch had a bug. I wanted to print p->gfp_flags but
was printing (p->gfp_flags & __GFP_WAIT). Retested with a fix and result
is http://I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp/tmp/serial-20141230-ab-3.txt.xz .

  static void print_memalloc_info(const struct task_struct *p)
  {
          const gfp_t gfp = p->gfp_flags;
  
          /*
           * __alloc_pages_nodemask() doesn't use smp_wmb() between
           * updating ->gfp_start and ->gfp_flags. But reading stale
           * ->gfp_start value harms nothing but printing bogus duration.
           * Correct duration will be printed when this function is
           * called for the next time.
           */
          if (unlikely(gfp & __GFP_WAIT))
                  printk(KERN_INFO "MemAlloc: %ld jiffies on 0x%x\n",
                         jiffies - p->gfp_start, gfp);
  }

> That being said this doesn't look like a live lock or a lockup. System
> should recover from this state but it might take a lot of time (there
> are hundreds of tasks waiting on the i_mutex lock, each will try to
> allocate and fail and OOM victims will have to get out of the kernel and
> die). I am not sure we can do much about that from the allocator POV. A
> possible way would be refraining from the reclaim efforts when it is
> clear that nothing is really reclaimable. But I suspect this would be
> tricky to get right.

Indeed, this is not a livelock since the task holding the mutex is doing
a !__GFP_FS allocation and is making too-slow-to-wait progress, and the
"waited for" lines are eventually gone.

[  121.017797] b.out           R  running task        0  9999   9982 0x00000088
[  121.019750] MemAlloc: 30542 jiffies on 0x102005a
[  223.486701] b.out           R  running task        0 10008   9982 0x00000080
[  223.488642] MemAlloc: 12242 jiffies on 0x102005a
[  415.695635] b.out           R  running task        0 10013   9982 0x00000080
[  415.697578] MemAlloc: 108210 jiffies on 0x102005a
[  960.228134] b.out           R  running task        0 10013   9982 0x00000080
[  960.230179] MemAlloc: 652090 jiffies on 0x102005a

> > where I think a.out cannot die within reasonable duration due to b.out .
> 
> I am not sure you can have any reasonable time expectation with such a
> huge contention on a single file. Even killing the task manually would
> take quite some time I suspect. Sure, memory pressure makes it all much
> worse.

Not specific to OOM-killer case, but I wish that the stall ends within 10
seconds, for my customers are using watchdog timeout of 11 seconds with
watchdog keep-alive interval of 2 seconds.

I wish that there is a way to record that the process who is supposed to do
watchdog keep-alive operation was unexpectedly blocked for many seconds at
memory allocation. My gfp_start patch works for that purpose.

> > but I think we need to be prepared for cases where sending SIGKILL to
> > all threads sharing the same memory does not help.
> 
> Sure, unkillable tasks are a problem which we have to handle. Having
> GFP_KERNEL allocations looping without way out contributes to this which
> is sad but your current data just show that sometimes it might take ages
> to finish even without that going on.

Can't we replace mutex_lock() / wait_for_completion() with killable versions
where it is safe (in order to reduce locations of unkillable waits)?
I think replacing mutex_lock() in xfs_file_buffered_aio_write() with killable
version is possible because data written by buffered write is not guaranteed
to be flushed until sync() / fsync() / fdatasync() returns.

And can't we detect unkillable TIF_MEMDIE tasks (like checking task's ->state
after a while after TIF_MEMDIE was set)? My sysctl_memdie_timeout_jiffies
patch works for that purpose.

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  reply	other threads:[~2014-12-30 14:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 177+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-12-12 13:54 [RFC PATCH] oom: Don't count on mm-less current process Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-16 12:47 ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-17 11:54   ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-17 13:08     ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-18 12:11       ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-18 15:33         ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-19 12:07           ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-19 12:49             ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-20  9:13               ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-20 11:42                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-22 20:25                   ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-23  1:00                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-23  9:51                       ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-23 11:46                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-23 11:57                           ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-23 12:12                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-23 12:27                             ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-23 12:24                           ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-23 13:00                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-23 13:09                               ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-23 13:20                                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-23 13:43                                   ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-23 14:11                                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-23 14:57                                       ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-19 12:22           ` How to handle TIF_MEMDIE stalls? Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-20  2:03             ` Dave Chinner
2014-12-20 12:41               ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-20 22:35                 ` Dave Chinner
2014-12-21  8:45                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-21 20:42                     ` Dave Chinner
2014-12-22 16:57                       ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-22 21:30                         ` Dave Chinner
2014-12-23  9:41                           ` Johannes Weiner
2014-12-24  1:06                             ` Dave Chinner
2014-12-24  2:40                               ` Linus Torvalds
2014-12-29 18:19                     ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-30  6:42                       ` Tetsuo Handa
2014-12-30 11:21                         ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-30 13:33                           ` Tetsuo Handa [this message]
2014-12-31 10:24                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-09 11:44                           ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-10 13:58                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-10 15:19                               ` Johannes Weiner
2015-02-11  2:23                                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-11 13:37                                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-11 18:50                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-02-11 18:59                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2015-03-14 13:03                                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-17 12:23                                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-17 12:53                                     ` Johannes Weiner
2015-02-17 15:38                                       ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-17 22:54                                       ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-17 23:32                                         ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-18  8:25                                         ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-18 10:48                                           ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-18 12:16                                             ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-18 21:31                                               ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-19  9:40                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-19 22:03                                                   ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-20  9:27                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-19 11:01                                               ` Johannes Weiner
2015-02-19 12:29                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-19 12:58                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-19 15:29                                                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-19 21:53                                                       ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-20  9:13                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-20 13:37                                                         ` Stefan Ring
2015-02-19 13:29                                                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-20  9:10                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-20 12:20                                                       ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-20 12:38                                                         ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-19 21:43                                                   ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-20 12:48                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-20 23:09                                                       ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-19 10:24                                         ` Johannes Weiner
2015-02-19 22:52                                           ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-20 10:36                                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-20 23:15                                               ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-21  3:20                                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-02-21  9:19                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2015-02-21 13:48                                                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-21 21:38                                                     ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-22  0:20                                                     ` Johannes Weiner
2015-02-23 10:48                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-23 11:23                                                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-23 21:33                                                       ` David Rientjes
2015-02-22 14:48                                                     ` __GFP_NOFAIL and oom_killer_disabled? Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-23 10:21                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-23 13:03                                                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-24 18:14                                                           ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-25 11:22                                                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-25 16:02                                                               ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-25 21:48                                                                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-25 21:51                                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2015-02-21 12:00                                                   ` How to handle TIF_MEMDIE stalls? Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-23 10:26                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-21 11:12                                                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-21 21:48                                                   ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-21 23:52                                             ` Johannes Weiner
2015-02-23  0:45                                               ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-23  1:29                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2015-02-23  7:32                                                   ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-27 18:24                                                     ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-02-28  0:03                                                       ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-28 15:17                                                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-03-02  9:39                                                     ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-03-02 22:31                                                       ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-03  9:13                                                         ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-03-04  1:33                                                           ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-04  8:50                                                             ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-03-04 11:03                                                               ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-07  0:20                                                         ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-07  3:43                                                           ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-07 15:08                                                             ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-02 20:22                                                     ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-02 23:12                                                       ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-03  2:50                                                         ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-04  6:52                                                           ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-04 15:04                                                             ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-04 17:38                                                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-03-04 23:17                                                                 ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-28 16:29                                                 ` Johannes Weiner
2015-02-28 16:41                                                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-02-28 22:15                                                     ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-01 11:17                                                       ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-03-06 11:53                                                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-03-01 13:43                                                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-03-01 16:15                                                         ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-01 19:36                                                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-03-01 20:44                                                             ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-01 20:17                                                         ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-01 21:48                                                       ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-02  0:17                                                         ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-02 12:46                                                           ` Brian Foster
2015-02-28 18:36                                                 ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-03-02 15:18                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2015-03-02 16:05                                                   ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-02 17:10                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2015-03-02 17:27                                                       ` Johannes Weiner
2015-03-02 16:39                                                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-03-02 16:58                                                     ` Michal Hocko
2015-03-04 12:52                                                       ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-17 14:59                                     ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-17 14:50                                 ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-17 14:37                             ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-17 14:44                               ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-16 11:23                           ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-16 15:42                             ` Johannes Weiner
2015-02-17 11:57                               ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-17 13:16                                 ` Johannes Weiner
2015-02-17 16:50                                   ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-17 23:25                                     ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-18  8:48                                       ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-18 11:23                                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-18 12:29                                           ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-18 14:06                                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-18 14:25                                               ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-19 10:48                                                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-20  8:26                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-23 22:08                                 ` David Rientjes
2015-02-24 11:20                                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-24 15:20                                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-02-24 21:02                                       ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-25 14:31                                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-27  7:39                                           ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-27 12:42                                             ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-02-27 13:12                                               ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-04 12:41                                                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-03-04 13:25                                                   ` Dave Chinner
2015-03-04 14:11                                                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2015-03-05  1:36                                                       ` Dave Chinner
2015-02-17 16:33                             ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-29 17:40                   ` [PATCH] mm: get rid of radix tree gfp mask for pagecache_get_page (was: Re: How to handle TIF_MEMDIE stalls?) Michal Hocko
2014-12-29 18:45                     ` Linus Torvalds
2014-12-29 19:33                       ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-30 13:42                         ` Michal Hocko
2014-12-30 21:45                           ` Linus Torvalds

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