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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>
To: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>,
	Michel Lespinasse <walken@google.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Roman Gushchin <klamm@yandex-team.ru>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] memcg, mm: introduce lowlimit reclaim
Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 16:21:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140505142100.GC32598@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140502220056.GP23420@cmpxchg.org>

On Fri 02-05-14 18:00:56, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> On Fri, May 02, 2014 at 06:49:30PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > On Fri 02-05-14 11:58:05, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> > > On Fri, May 02, 2014 at 11:36:28AM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > > On Wed 30-04-14 18:55:50, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 02:26:42PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
[...]
> > > > > > diff --git a/mm/vmscan.c b/mm/vmscan.c
> > > > > > index c1cd99a5074b..0f428158254e 100644
> > > > > > --- a/mm/vmscan.c
> > > > > > +++ b/mm/vmscan.c
> > > > [...]
> > > > > > +static void shrink_zone(struct zone *zone, struct scan_control *sc)
> > > > > > +{
> > > > > > +	if (!__shrink_zone(zone, sc, true)) {
> > > > > > +		/*
> > > > > > +		 * First round of reclaim didn't find anything to reclaim
> > > > > > +		 * because of low limit protection so try again and ignore
> > > > > > +		 * the low limit this time.
> > > > > > +		 */
> > > > > > +		__shrink_zone(zone, sc, false);
> > > > > > +	}
> > > 
> > > So I don't think this can work as it is, because we are not actually
> > > changing priority levels yet. 
> > 
> > __shrink_zone returns with 0 only if the whole hierarchy is is under low
> > limit. This means that they are over-committed and it doesn't make much
> > sense to play with priority. Low limit reclaimability is independent on
> > the priority.
> > 
> > > It will give up on the guarantees of bigger groups way before smaller
> > > groups are even seriously looked at.
> > 
> > How would that happen? Those (smaller) groups would get reclaimed and we
> > wouldn't fallback. Or am I missing your point?
> 
> Lol, I hadn't updated my brain to a394cb8ee632 ("memcg,vmscan: do not
> break out targeted reclaim without reclaimed pages") yet...  Yes, you
> are right.

You made me think about this more and you are right ;).
The code as is doesn't cope with many racing reclaimers when some
threads can fallback to ignore the lowlimit although there are groups to
scan in the hierarchy but they were visited by other reclaimers.
The patch bellow should help with that. What do you think?
I am also thinking we want to add a fallback counter in memory.stat?
---

  reply	other threads:[~2014-05-05 14:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-04-28 12:26 [PATCH v2 0/4] memcg: Low-limit reclaim Michal Hocko
2014-04-28 12:26 ` [PATCH 1/4] memcg, mm: introduce lowlimit reclaim Michal Hocko
2014-04-30 22:55   ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02  9:36     ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-02 12:07       ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-02 13:01         ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02 14:15           ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-02 15:04             ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02 15:11               ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-02 15:34                 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02 15:48                   ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-06 19:58                     ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-02 15:58       ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02 16:49         ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-02 22:00           ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-05 14:21             ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2014-05-19 16:18               ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-11 15:15               ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-11 16:08                 ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-06 13:29             ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-06 14:32               ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-06 15:21                 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-06 16:12                   ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-06 16:51                     ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-06 18:30                       ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-06 19:55                         ` Johannes Weiner
2014-04-28 12:26 ` [PATCH 2/4] memcg: Allow setting low_limit Michal Hocko
2014-04-28 12:26 ` [PATCH 3/4] memcg, doc: clarify global vs. limit reclaims Michal Hocko
2014-04-30 23:03   ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02  9:43     ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-06 19:56       ` Michal Hocko
2014-04-28 12:26 ` [PATCH 4/4] memcg: Document memory.low_limit_in_bytes Michal Hocko
2014-04-30 22:57   ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02  9:46     ` Michal Hocko
2014-04-28 15:46 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] memcg: Low-limit reclaim Roman Gushchin
2014-04-29  7:42   ` Greg Thelen
2014-04-29 10:50     ` Roman Gushchin
2014-04-29 12:54       ` Michal Hocko
2014-04-30 21:52 ` Andrew Morton
2014-04-30 22:49   ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-02 12:03   ` Michal Hocko
2014-04-30 21:59 ` Andrew Morton
2014-05-02 11:22   ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-28 12:10 ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-28 13:49   ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-28 14:21     ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-28 15:28       ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-28 15:54         ` Michal Hocko
2014-05-28 16:33           ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-03 11:07             ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-03 14:22               ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-04 14:46                 ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-04 15:44                   ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-04 19:18                     ` Hugh Dickins
2014-06-04 21:45                       ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-05 14:51                         ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-05 16:10                           ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-05 16:43                             ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-05 18:23                               ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-06 14:44                                 ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-06 14:46                                   ` [PATCH 1/2] mm, memcg: allow OOM if no memcg is eligible during direct reclaim Michal Hocko
2014-06-06 14:46                                     ` [PATCH 2/2] memcg: Allow hard guarantee mode for low limit reclaim Michal Hocko
2014-06-06 15:29                                       ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-06 15:34                                         ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-09  8:30                                         ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-09 13:54                                           ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-09 22:52                                       ` Greg Thelen
2014-06-10 16:57                                         ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-10 22:16                                           ` Greg Thelen
2014-06-11  7:57                                           ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-11  8:00                                             ` [PATCH 1/2] mm, memcg: allow OOM if no memcg is eligible during direct reclaim Michal Hocko
2014-06-11  8:00                                               ` [PATCH 2/2] memcg: Allow guarantee reclaim Michal Hocko
2014-06-11 15:36                                                 ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-12 13:22                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-12 13:56                                                     ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-12 14:22                                                       ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-12 16:17                                                         ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-16 12:59                                                           ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-16 13:57                                                             ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-16 14:04                                                               ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-16 14:12                                                                 ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-16 14:29                                                                   ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-16 14:40                                                                     ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-12 16:51                                                         ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-16 13:22                                                           ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-11 15:20                                               ` [PATCH 1/2] mm, memcg: allow OOM if no memcg is eligible during direct reclaim Johannes Weiner
2014-06-11 16:14                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-11 12:31                                             ` [PATCH 2/2] memcg: Allow hard guarantee mode for low limit reclaim Tejun Heo
2014-06-11 14:11                                               ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-11 15:34                                                 ` Tejun Heo
2014-06-05 19:36                       ` [PATCH v2 0/4] memcg: Low-limit reclaim Tejun Heo
2014-06-05 14:32                     ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-05 15:43                       ` Johannes Weiner
2014-06-05 16:09                         ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-05 16:46                           ` Johannes Weiner
2014-05-28 16:17         ` Greg Thelen
2014-06-03 11:09           ` Michal Hocko
2014-06-03 14:01             ` Greg Thelen
2014-06-03 14:44               ` Michal Hocko

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