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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	"linux-arch@vger.kernel.org" <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>
Subject: Re: Dirty/Access bits vs. page content
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 11:25:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140428092540.GO11096@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LSU.2.11.1404271220100.3724@eggly.anvils>

On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 01:09:54PM -0700, Hugh Dickins wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2014, Hugh Dickins wrote:
> > 
> > But woke with a panic attack that we have overlooked the question
> > of how page reclaim's page_mapped() checks are serialized.
> > Perhaps this concern will evaporate with the morning dew,
> > perhaps it will not...
> 
> It was a real concern, but we happen to be rescued by the innocuous-
> looking is_page_cache_freeable() check at the beginning of pageout():
> which will deserve its own comment, but that can follow later.
> 
> My concern was with page reclaim's shrink_page_list() racing against
> munmap's or exit's (or madvise's) zap_pte_range() unmapping the page.
> 
> Once zap_pte_range() has cleared the pte from a vma, neither
> try_to_unmap() nor page_mkclean() will see that vma as containing
> the page, so neither will do its own flush TLB of the cpus involved,
> before proceeding to writepage.
> 
> Linus's patch (serialializing with ptlock) or my patch (serializing
> with i_mmap_mutex) both almost fix that, but it seemed not entirely:
> because try_to_unmap() is only called when page_mapped(), and
> page_mkclean() quits early without taking locks when !page_mapped().

Argh!! very good spotting that.

> So in the interval when zap_pte_range() has brought page_mapcount()
> down to 0, but not yet flushed TLB on all mapping cpus, it looked as
> if we still had a problem - neither try_to_unmap() nor page_mkclean()
> would take the lock either of us rely upon for serialization.
> 
> But pageout()'s preliminary is_page_cache_freeable() check makes
> it safe in the end: although page_mapcount() has gone down to 0,
> page_count() remains raised until the free_pages_and_swap_cache()
> after the TLB flush.
> 
> So I now believe we're safe after all with either patch, and happy
> for Linus to go ahead with his.

OK, so I'm just not seeing that atm. Will have another peek later,
hopefully when more fully awake.

> Peter, returning at last to your question of whether we could exempt
> shmem from the added overhead of either patch.  Until just now I
> thought not, because of the possibility that the shmem_writepage()
> could occur while one of the mm's cpus remote from zap_pte_range()
> cpu was still modifying the page.  But now that I see the role
> played by is_page_cache_freeable(), and of course the zapping end
> has never dropped its reference on the page before the TLB flush,
> however late that occurred, hmmm, maybe yes, shmem can be exempted.
> 
> But I'd prefer to dwell on that a bit longer: we can add that as
> an optimization later if it holds up to scrutiny.

For sure.. No need to rush that. And if a (performance) regression shows
up in the meantime, we immediately have a good test case too :-)

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  reply	other threads:[~2014-04-28  9:25 UTC|newest]

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2014-04-22  0:31               ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-22  0:44                 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-22  5:15                   ` Tony Luck
2014-04-22 14:55                     ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-22  7:34                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-22  7:54                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-22 21:36                     ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-22 21:46                       ` Dave Hansen
2014-04-22 22:08                         ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-22 22:41                           ` Dave Hansen
2014-04-23  2:44                         ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-23  3:08                       ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-23  4:23                         ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-23  6:14                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-04-23 18:41                         ` Jan Kara
2014-04-23 19:33                           ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-24  6:51                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-24 18:40                               ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-24 19:45                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-24 20:02                                   ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-24 23:46                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-25  1:37                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-04-25  2:41                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-04-25  2:46                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-25  2:50                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-04-25  3:03                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-25 12:01                                                 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-25 13:51                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-25 19:41                                                     ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-26 18:07                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-27  7:20                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-27 12:20                                                           ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-27 19:33                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-27 19:47                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-27 20:09                                                             ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-28  9:25                                                               ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2014-04-28 10:14                                                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-27 16:21                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-27 23:13                                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-04-25 16:54                                                   ` Dave Hansen
2014-04-25 18:41                                                     ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-25 22:00                                                       ` Dave Hansen
2014-04-26  3:11                                                         ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-26  3:48                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-25 17:56                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-25 19:13                                                     ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-25 16:30                                       ` Dave Hansen
2014-04-23 20:11                           ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-24  8:49                             ` Jan Kara

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