From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
"linux-arch@vger.kernel.org" <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>
Subject: Re: Dirty/Access bits vs. page content
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 20:07:11 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140426180711.GM26782@laptop.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LSU.2.11.1404251215280.5909@eggly.anvils>
> > I think we could look at mapping_cap_account_dirty(page->mapping) while
> > holding the ptelock, the mapping can't go away while we hold that lock.
> >
> > And afaict that's the exact differentiator between these two cases.
>
> Yes, that's easily done, but I wasn't sure whether it was correct to
> skip on shmem or not - just because shmem doesn't participate in the
> page_mkclean() protocol, doesn't imply it's free from similar bugs.
>
> I haven't seen a precise description of the bug we're anxious to fix:
> Dave's MADV_DONTNEED should be easily fixable, that's not a concern;
> Linus's first patch wrote of writing racing with cleaning, but didn't
> give a concrete example.
The way I understand it is that we observe the PTE dirty and set PAGE
dirty before we make the PTE globally unavailable (through a TLB flush),
and thereby we can mistakenly loose updates; by thinking a page is in
fact clean even though we can still get updates.
But I suspect you got that far..
> How about this: a process with one thread repeatedly (but not very often)
> writing timestamp into a shared file mapping, but another thread munmaps
> it at some point; and another process repeatedly (but not very often)
> reads the timestamp file (or peeks at it through mmap); with memory
> pressure forcing page reclaim.
>
> In the page_mkclean() shared file case, the second process might see
> the timestamp move backwards: because a write from the timestamping
> thread went into the pagecache after it had been written, but the
> page not re-marked dirty; so when reclaimed and later read back
> from disk, the older timestamp is seen.
>
> But I think you can remove "page_mkclean() " from that paragraph:
> the same can happen with shmem written out to swap.
I'm not entirely seeing how this could happen for shmem; the swap path
goes through try_to_unmap_one(), which removes the PTE and does a full
TLB flush. Anything after that will get a fault (which will hit either
the swapcache or actual swap).
The rmap walk of try_to_unmap() is the same as the one for
page_mkclean().
So if we're good on the one, we're good on the other.
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2014-04-22 0:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-22 0:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-22 5:15 ` Tony Luck
2014-04-22 14:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-22 7:34 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-22 7:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-22 21:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-22 21:46 ` Dave Hansen
2014-04-22 22:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-22 22:41 ` Dave Hansen
2014-04-23 2:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-23 3:08 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-23 4:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-23 6:14 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-04-23 18:41 ` Jan Kara
2014-04-23 19:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-24 6:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-24 18:40 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-24 19:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-24 20:02 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-24 23:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-25 1:37 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-04-25 2:41 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-04-25 2:46 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-25 2:50 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-04-25 3:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-25 12:01 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-25 13:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-25 19:41 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-26 18:07 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2014-04-27 7:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-27 12:20 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-27 19:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-27 19:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-27 20:09 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-28 9:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-28 10:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-04-27 16:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-27 23:13 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2014-04-25 16:54 ` Dave Hansen
2014-04-25 18:41 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-25 22:00 ` Dave Hansen
2014-04-26 3:11 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-26 3:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-25 17:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-04-25 19:13 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-25 16:30 ` Dave Hansen
2014-04-23 20:11 ` Hugh Dickins
2014-04-24 8:49 ` Jan Kara
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