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From: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
To: Bob Liu <bob.liu@oracle.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
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	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Luigi Semenzato <semenzato@google.com>,
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	Michel Lespinasse <walken@google.com>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
	Ozgun Erdogan <ozgun@citusdata.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
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	Ryan Mallon <rmallon@gmail.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
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	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch 9/9] mm: keep page cache radix tree nodes in check
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 17:09:51 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140116220951.GO6963@cmpxchg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <52D622B5.6070203@oracle.com>

On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 01:55:01PM +0800, Bob Liu wrote:
> Hi Johannes,
> 
> On 01/11/2014 02:10 AM, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> > Previously, page cache radix tree nodes were freed after reclaim
> > emptied out their page pointers.  But now reclaim stores shadow
> > entries in their place, which are only reclaimed when the inodes
> > themselves are reclaimed.  This is problematic for bigger files that
> > are still in use after they have a significant amount of their cache
> > reclaimed, without any of those pages actually refaulting.  The shadow
> > entries will just sit there and waste memory.  In the worst case, the
> > shadow entries will accumulate until the machine runs out of memory.
> > 
> 
> I have one more question. It seems that other algorithm only remember
> history information of a limit number of evicted pages where the number
> is usually the same as the total cache or memory size.
> But in your patch, I didn't see a preferred value that how many evicted
> pages' history information should be recorded. It all depends on the
> workingset_shadow_shrinker?

That "same as total cache" number is a fairly arbitrary cut-off that
defines how far we record eviction history.  For this patch set, we
technically do not need more shadow entries than active pages, but
strict enforcement would be very expensive.  So we leave it mostly to
refaults and inode reclaim to keep the number of shadow entries low,
with the shadow shrinker as an emergency backup.  Keep in mind that
the shadow entries represent that part of the working set that exceeds
available memory.  So the only way the number of shadow entries
exceeds the number of RAM pages in the system is if your workingset is
more than twice that of memory, otherwise the shadow entries refault
before they can accumulate.  And because of inode reclaim, that huge
working set would have to be backed by a very small number of files,
otherwise the shadow entries are reclaimed along with the inodes.  But
this theoretical workload would be entirely IO bound and a few extra
MB wasted on shadow entries should make no difference.

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  reply	other threads:[~2014-01-16 22:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-01-10 18:10 [patch 0/9] mm: thrash detection-based file cache sizing v8 Johannes Weiner
2014-01-10 18:10 ` [patch 1/9] fs: cachefiles: use add_to_page_cache_lru() Johannes Weiner
2014-01-13  1:17   ` Minchan Kim
2014-01-10 18:10 ` [patch 2/9] lib: radix-tree: radix_tree_delete_item() Johannes Weiner
2014-01-10 18:10 ` [patch 3/9] mm: shmem: save one radix tree lookup when truncating swapped pages Johannes Weiner
2014-01-10 18:25   ` Rik van Riel
2014-01-10 18:10 ` [patch 4/9] mm: filemap: move radix tree hole searching here Johannes Weiner
2014-01-10 19:22   ` Rik van Riel
2014-01-13  1:25   ` Minchan Kim
2014-01-10 18:10 ` [patch 5/9] mm + fs: prepare for non-page entries in page cache radix trees Johannes Weiner
2014-01-10 19:39   ` Rik van Riel
2014-01-13  2:01   ` Minchan Kim
2014-01-22 17:47     ` Johannes Weiner
2014-01-23  5:07       ` Minchan Kim
2014-02-12 14:00   ` Mel Gorman
2014-03-12  1:15     ` Johannes Weiner
2014-01-10 18:10 ` [patch 6/9] mm + fs: store shadow entries in page cache Johannes Weiner
2014-01-10 22:30   ` Rik van Riel
2014-01-13  2:18   ` Minchan Kim
2014-01-10 18:10 ` [patch 7/9] mm: thrash detection-based file cache sizing Johannes Weiner
2014-01-10 22:51   ` Rik van Riel
2014-01-13  2:42   ` Minchan Kim
2014-01-14  1:01   ` Bob Liu
2014-01-14 19:16     ` Johannes Weiner
2014-01-15  2:57       ` Bob Liu
2014-01-15  3:52         ` Zhang Yanfei
2014-01-16 21:17         ` Johannes Weiner
2014-01-10 18:10 ` [patch 8/9] lib: radix_tree: tree node interface Johannes Weiner
2014-01-10 22:57   ` Rik van Riel
2014-01-10 18:10 ` [patch 9/9] mm: keep page cache radix tree nodes in check Johannes Weiner
2014-01-10 23:09   ` Rik van Riel
2014-01-13  7:39   ` Minchan Kim
2014-01-14  5:40     ` Minchan Kim
2014-01-22 18:42     ` Johannes Weiner
2014-01-23  5:20       ` Minchan Kim
2014-01-23 19:22         ` Johannes Weiner
2014-01-27  2:31           ` Minchan Kim
2014-01-15  5:55   ` Bob Liu
2014-01-16 22:09     ` Johannes Weiner [this message]
2014-01-17  0:05   ` Dave Chinner
2014-01-20 23:17     ` Johannes Weiner
2014-01-21  3:03       ` Dave Chinner
2014-01-21  5:50         ` Johannes Weiner
2014-01-22  3:06           ` Dave Chinner
2014-01-22  6:57             ` Johannes Weiner
2014-01-22 18:48               ` Johannes Weiner
2014-01-23  5:57       ` Minchan Kim
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2013-12-02 19:21 [patch 0/9] mm: thrash detection-based file cache sizing v7 Johannes Weiner
2013-12-02 19:21 ` [patch 9/9] mm: keep page cache radix tree nodes in check Johannes Weiner
2013-12-02 22:10   ` Dave Chinner
2013-12-02 22:46     ` Johannes Weiner
2013-11-24 23:38 [patch 0/9] mm: thrash detection-based file cache sizing v6 Johannes Weiner
2013-11-24 23:38 ` [patch 9/9] mm: keep page cache radix tree nodes in check Johannes Weiner
2013-11-25 23:49   ` Dave Chinner
2013-11-26 21:27     ` Johannes Weiner
2013-11-26 22:29       ` Dave Chinner
2013-11-26 23:00         ` Johannes Weiner
2013-11-27  0:59           ` Dave Chinner
2013-11-26  0:13   ` Andrew Morton
2013-11-26 22:05     ` Johannes Weiner

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