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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Srikar Dronamraju <srikar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] hotplug: Optimize {get,put}_online_cpus()
Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 22:41:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130927204116.GJ15690@laptop.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130927181532.GA8401@redhat.com>

On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 08:15:32PM +0200, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> On 09/26, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> >
> > But if the readers does see BLOCK it will not be an active reader no
> > more; and thus the writer doesn't need to observe and wait for it.
> 
> I meant they both can block, but please ignore. Today I simply can't
> understand what I was thinking about yesterday.

I think we all know that state all too well ;-)

> I tried hard to find any hole in this version but failed, I believe it
> is correct.

Yay!

> But, could you help me to understand some details?

I'll try, but I'm not too bright atm myself :-)

> > +void __get_online_cpus(void)
> > +{
> > +again:
> > +	/* See __srcu_read_lock() */
> > +	__this_cpu_inc(__cpuhp_refcount);
> > +	smp_mb(); /* A matches B, E */
> > +	__this_cpu_inc(cpuhp_seq);
> > +
> > +	if (unlikely(__cpuhp_state == readers_block)) {
> 
> Note that there is no barrier() after inc(seq) and __cpuhp_state
> check, this inc() can be "postponed" till ...
> 
> > +void __put_online_cpus(void)
> >  {
> > +	/* See __srcu_read_unlock() */
> > +	smp_mb(); /* C matches D */
> 
> ... this mb() in __put_online_cpus().
> 
> And this is fine! The qustion is, perhaps it would be more "natural"
> and understandable to shift this_cpu_inc(cpuhp_seq) into
> __put_online_cpus().

Possibly; I never got further than that the required order is:

  ref++
  MB
  seq++
  MB
  ref--

It doesn't matter if the seq++ is in the lock or unlock primitive. I
never considered one place more natural than the other.

> We need to ensure 2 things:
> 
> 1. The reader should notic state = BLOCK or the writer should see
>    inc(__cpuhp_refcount). This is guaranteed by 2 mb's in
>    __get_online_cpus() and in cpu_hotplug_begin().
> 
>    We do not care if the writer misses some inc(__cpuhp_refcount)
>    in per_cpu_sum(__cpuhp_refcount), that reader(s) should notice
>    state = readers_block (and inc(cpuhp_seq) can't help anyway).

Agreed.

> 2. If the writer sees the result of this_cpu_dec(__cpuhp_refcount)
>    from __put_online_cpus() (note that the writer can miss the
>    corresponding inc() if it was done on another CPU, so this dec()
>    can lead to sum() == 0), it should also notice the change in cpuhp_seq.
> 
>    Fortunately, this can only happen if the reader migrates, in
>    this case schedule() provides a barrier, the writer can't miss
>    the change in cpuhp_seq.

Again, agreed; this is also the message of the second comment in
cpuhp_readers_active_check() by Paul.

> IOW. Unless I missed something, cpuhp_seq is actually needed to
> serialize __put_online_cpus()->this_cpu_dec(__cpuhp_refcount) and
> and /* D matches C */ in cpuhp_readers_active_check(), and this
> is not immediately clear if you look at __get_online_cpus().
> 
> I do not suggest to change this code, but please tell me if my
> understanding is not correct.

I think you're entirely right.

> > +static bool cpuhp_readers_active_check(void)
> >  {
> > +	unsigned int seq = per_cpu_sum(cpuhp_seq);
> > +
> > +	smp_mb(); /* B matches A */
> > +
> > +	/*
> > +	 * In other words, if we see __get_online_cpus() cpuhp_seq increment,
> > +	 * we are guaranteed to also see its __cpuhp_refcount increment.
> > +	 */
> >  
> > +	if (per_cpu_sum(__cpuhp_refcount) != 0)
> > +		return false;
> >  
> > +	smp_mb(); /* D matches C */
> 
> It seems that both barries could be smp_rmb() ? I am not sure the comments
> from srcu_readers_active_idx_check() can explain mb(), note that
> __srcu_read_lock() always succeeds unlike get_cpus_online().

I see what you mean; cpuhp_readers_active_check() is all purely reads;
there are no writes to order.

Paul; is there any argument for the MB here as opposed to RMB; and if
not should we change both these and SRCU?

> >  void cpu_hotplug_done(void)
> >  {
> > +	/* Signal the writer is done, no fast path yet. */
> > +	__cpuhp_state = readers_slow;
> > +	wake_up_all(&cpuhp_readers);
> > +
> > +	/*
> > +	 * The wait_event()/wake_up_all() prevents the race where the readers
> > +	 * are delayed between fetching __cpuhp_state and blocking.
> > +	 */
> > +
> > +	/* See percpu_up_write(); readers will no longer attempt to block. */
> > +	synchronize_sched();
> > +
> > +	/* Let 'em rip */
> > +	__cpuhp_state = readers_fast;
> > +	current->cpuhp_ref--;
> > +
> > +	/*
> > +	 * Wait for any pending readers to be running. This ensures readers
> > +	 * after writer and avoids writers starving readers.
> > +	 */
> > +	wait_event(cpuhp_writer, !atomic_read(&cpuhp_waitcount));
> >  }
> 
> OK, to some degree I can understand "avoids writers starving readers"
> part (although the next writer should do synchronize_sched() first),
> but could you explain "ensures readers after writer" ?

Suppose reader A sees state == BLOCK and goes to sleep; our writer B
does cpu_hotplug_done() and wakes all pending readers. If for some
reason A doesn't schedule to inc ref until B again executes
cpu_hotplug_begin() and state is once again BLOCK, A will not have made
any progress.

The waitcount increment before __put_online_cpus() ensures
cpu_hotplug_done() sees the !0 waitcount and waits until out reader runs
far enough to at least pass the dec_and_test().

And once past the dec_and_test() preemption is disabled and the
sched_sync() in a new cpu_hotplug_begin() will suffice to guarantee
we'll have acquired a reference and are an active reader.


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  reply	other threads:[~2013-09-27 20:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 182+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-09-10  9:31 [PATCH 0/50] Basic scheduler support for automatic NUMA balancing V7 Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:31 ` [PATCH 01/50] sched: monolithic code dump of what is being pushed upstream Mel Gorman
2013-09-11  0:58   ` Joonsoo Kim
2013-09-11  3:11   ` Hillf Danton
2013-09-13  8:11     ` Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:31 ` [PATCH 02/50] mm: numa: Document automatic NUMA balancing sysctls Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:31 ` [PATCH 03/50] sched, numa: Comment fixlets Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:31 ` [PATCH 04/50] mm: numa: Do not account for a hinting fault if we raced Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:31 ` [PATCH 05/50] mm: Wait for THP migrations to complete during NUMA hinting faults Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:31 ` [PATCH 06/50] mm: Prevent parallel splits during THP migration Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:31 ` [PATCH 07/50] mm: Account for a THP NUMA hinting update as one PTE update Mel Gorman
2013-09-16 12:36   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-16 13:39     ` Rik van Riel
2013-09-16 14:54       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-16 16:11         ` Mel Gorman
2013-09-16 16:37           ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-10  9:31 ` [PATCH 08/50] mm: numa: Sanitize task_numa_fault() callsites Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:31 ` [PATCH 09/50] mm: numa: Do not migrate or account for hinting faults on the zero page Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:31 ` [PATCH 10/50] sched: numa: Mitigate chance that same task always updates PTEs Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:31 ` [PATCH 11/50] sched: numa: Continue PTE scanning even if migrate rate limited Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:31 ` [PATCH 12/50] Revert "mm: sched: numa: Delay PTE scanning until a task is scheduled on a new node" Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:31 ` [PATCH 13/50] sched: numa: Initialise numa_next_scan properly Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:31 ` [PATCH 14/50] sched: Set the scan rate proportional to the memory usage of the task being scanned Mel Gorman
2013-09-16 15:18   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-16 15:40     ` Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:31 ` [PATCH 15/50] sched: numa: Correct adjustment of numa_scan_period Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:31 ` [PATCH 16/50] mm: Only flush TLBs if a transhuge PMD is modified for NUMA pte scanning Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:31 ` [PATCH 17/50] mm: Do not flush TLB during protection change if !pte_present && !migration_entry Mel Gorman
2013-09-16 16:35   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-17 17:00     ` Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:31 ` [PATCH 18/50] sched: numa: Slow scan rate if no NUMA hinting faults are being recorded Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:31 ` [PATCH 19/50] sched: Track NUMA hinting faults on per-node basis Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:32 ` [PATCH 20/50] sched: Select a preferred node with the most numa hinting faults Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:32 ` [PATCH 21/50] sched: Update NUMA hinting faults once per scan Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:32 ` [PATCH 22/50] sched: Favour moving tasks towards the preferred node Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:32 ` [PATCH 23/50] sched: Resist moving tasks towards nodes with fewer hinting faults Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:32 ` [PATCH 24/50] sched: Reschedule task on preferred NUMA node once selected Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:32 ` [PATCH 25/50] sched: Add infrastructure for split shared/private accounting of NUMA hinting faults Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:32 ` [PATCH 26/50] sched: Check current->mm before allocating NUMA faults Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:32 ` [PATCH 27/50] mm: numa: Scan pages with elevated page_mapcount Mel Gorman
2013-09-12  2:10   ` Hillf Danton
2013-09-13  8:11     ` Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:32 ` [PATCH 28/50] sched: Remove check that skips small VMAs Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:32 ` [PATCH 29/50] sched: Set preferred NUMA node based on number of private faults Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:32 ` [PATCH 30/50] sched: Do not migrate memory immediately after switching node Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:32 ` [PATCH 31/50] sched: Avoid overloading CPUs on a preferred NUMA node Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:32 ` [PATCH 32/50] sched: Retry migration of tasks to CPU on a preferred node Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:32 ` [PATCH 33/50] sched: numa: increment numa_migrate_seq when task runs in correct location Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:32 ` [PATCH 34/50] sched: numa: Do not trap hinting faults for shared libraries Mel Gorman
2013-09-17  2:02   ` 答复: " 张天飞
2013-09-17  8:05     ` ????: " Mel Gorman
2013-09-17  8:22       ` Figo.zhang
2013-09-10  9:32 ` [PATCH 35/50] mm: numa: Only trap pmd hinting faults if we would otherwise trap PTE faults Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:32 ` [PATCH 36/50] stop_machine: Introduce stop_two_cpus() Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:32 ` [PATCH 37/50] sched: Introduce migrate_swap() Mel Gorman
2013-09-17 14:30   ` [PATCH] hotplug: Optimize {get,put}_online_cpus() Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-17 16:20     ` Mel Gorman
2013-09-17 16:45       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-18 15:49         ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-19 14:32           ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-21 16:34             ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-09-21 19:13               ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-09-23  9:29               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-23 17:32                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-09-24 20:24                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-24 21:02                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-25 15:55                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-09-25 16:59                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-25 17:43                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-25 17:50                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-09-25 18:40                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-25 21:22                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-26 11:10                               ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                                 ` <20130926155321.GA4342@redhat.com>
2013-09-26 16:13                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-26 16:14                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-09-26 16:40                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-26 16:58                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-09-26 17:50                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-27 18:15                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-09-27 20:41                                       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2013-09-28 12:48                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-09-28 14:47                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-28 16:31                                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-09-30 20:11                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-10-01 17:11                                                 ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2013-10-01 17:36                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-01 17:45                                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-01 17:56                                                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-01 18:07                                                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-01 19:05                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-02 12:16                                                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-02  9:08                                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-02 12:13                                                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-02 12:25                                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-02 13:31                                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-02 14:00                                                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-02 15:17                                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-02 16:31                                                                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-02 17:52                                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-01 19:03                                                         ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2013-10-01 18:14                                                     ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2013-10-01 18:56                                                       ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2013-10-02 10:14                                                       ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2013-09-28 20:46                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-01  3:56                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-01 14:14                                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-01 14:45                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-01 14:48                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-01 15:24                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-01 15:34                                                   ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-01 15:00                                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-09-29 13:56                                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-01 15:38                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-10-01 15:40                                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-01 20:40                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-23 14:50             ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-23 14:54               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-23 15:13                 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-23 15:22                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-23 15:59                     ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-23 16:02                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-23 15:50                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-23 16:01                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-23 17:04                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-23 17:30                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-23 17:50             ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-09-24 12:38               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-24 14:42                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-24 16:09                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-24 16:31                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-09-24 21:09                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-24 16:03                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-09-24 16:43                   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-24 17:06                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-09-24 17:47                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-24 18:00                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-09-24 20:35                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-25 15:16                             ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-09-25 15:35                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-25 16:33                                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-09-24 16:49                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-24 16:54                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-24 17:02                       ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-09-24 16:51                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-24 16:39                 ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-29 18:36     ` [RFC] introduce synchronize_sched_{enter,exit}() Oleg Nesterov
2013-09-29 20:01       ` Paul E. McKenney
2013-09-30 12:42         ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-09-29 21:34       ` Steven Rostedt
2013-09-30 13:03         ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-09-30 12:59       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-30 14:24         ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-30 15:06           ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-30 16:58             ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-09-30 16:38         ` Oleg Nesterov
2013-10-02 14:41       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-03  7:04         ` Ingo Molnar
2013-10-03  7:43           ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-17 14:32   ` [PATCH 37/50] sched: Introduce migrate_swap() Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-10  9:32 ` [PATCH 38/50] sched: numa: Use a system-wide search to find swap/migration candidates Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:32 ` [PATCH 39/50] sched: numa: Favor placing a task on the preferred node Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:32 ` [PATCH 40/50] mm: numa: Change page last {nid,pid} into {cpu,pid} Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:32 ` [PATCH 41/50] sched: numa: Use {cpu, pid} to create task groups for shared faults Mel Gorman
2013-09-12 12:42   ` Hillf Danton
2013-09-12 14:40     ` Mel Gorman
2013-09-12 12:45   ` Hillf Danton
2013-09-10  9:32 ` [PATCH 42/50] sched: numa: Report a NUMA task group ID Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:32 ` [PATCH 43/50] mm: numa: Do not group on RO pages Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:32 ` [PATCH 44/50] sched: numa: stay on the same node if CLONE_VM Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:32 ` [PATCH 45/50] sched: numa: use group fault statistics in numa placement Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:32 ` [PATCH 46/50] sched: numa: Prevent parallel updates to group stats during placement Mel Gorman
2013-09-20  9:55   ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-20 12:31     ` Mel Gorman
2013-09-20 12:36       ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-09-20 13:31       ` Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:32 ` [PATCH 47/50] sched: numa: add debugging Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:32 ` [PATCH 48/50] sched: numa: Decide whether to favour task or group weights based on swap candidate relationships Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:32 ` [PATCH 49/50] sched: numa: fix task or group comparison Mel Gorman
2013-09-10  9:32 ` [PATCH 50/50] sched: numa: Avoid migrating tasks that are placed on their preferred node Mel Gorman
2013-09-11  2:03 ` [PATCH 0/50] Basic scheduler support for automatic NUMA balancing V7 Rik van Riel
2013-09-14  2:57 ` Bob Liu
2013-09-30 10:30   ` Mel Gorman

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