From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
Cc: Srikar Dronamraju <srikar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 7/8] sched: Split accounting of NUMA hinting faults that pass two-stage filter
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 17:12:56 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130628151256.GC6626@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130628142925.GB1875@suse.de>
On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 03:29:25PM +0100, Mel Gorman wrote:
> > Oh duh indeed. I totally missed it did that. Changelog also isn't giving
> > rationale for this. Mel?
> >
>
> There were a few reasons
>
> First, if there are many tasks sharing the page then they'll all move towards
> the same node. The node will be compute overloaded and then scheduled away
> later only to bounce back again. Alternatively the shared tasks would
> just bounce around nodes because the fault information is effectively
> noise. Either way I felt that accounting for shared faults with private
> faults would be slower overall.
>
> The second reason was based on a hypothetical workload that had a small
> number of very important, heavily accessed private pages but a large shared
> array. The shared array would dominate the number of faults and be selected
> as a preferred node even though it's the wrong decision.
>
> The third reason was because multiple threads in a process will race
> each other to fault the shared page making the information unreliable.
>
> It is important that *something* be done with shared faults but I haven't
> thought of what exactly yet. One possibility would be to give them a
> different weight, maybe based on the number of active NUMA nodes, but I had
> not tested anything yet. Peter suggested privately that if shared faults
> dominate the workload that the shared pages would be migrated based on an
> interleave policy which has some potential.
>
It would be good to put something like this in the Changelog, or even as
a comment near how we select the preferred node.
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Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-06-26 14:37 [PATCH 0/6] Basic scheduler support for automatic NUMA balancing Mel Gorman
2013-06-26 14:38 ` [PATCH 1/8] mm: numa: Document automatic NUMA balancing sysctls Mel Gorman
2013-06-26 14:38 ` [PATCH 2/8] sched: Track NUMA hinting faults on per-node basis Mel Gorman
2013-06-27 15:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-06-28 12:22 ` Mel Gorman
2013-06-28 6:08 ` Srikar Dronamraju
2013-06-28 8:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-06-28 12:30 ` Mel Gorman
2013-06-26 14:38 ` [PATCH 3/8] sched: Select a preferred node with the most numa hinting faults Mel Gorman
2013-06-28 6:14 ` Srikar Dronamraju
2013-06-28 8:59 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-06-28 10:24 ` Srikar Dronamraju
2013-06-28 12:33 ` Mel Gorman
2013-06-26 14:38 ` [PATCH 4/8] sched: Update NUMA hinting faults once per scan Mel Gorman
2013-06-28 6:32 ` Srikar Dronamraju
2013-06-28 9:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-06-26 14:38 ` [PATCH 5/8] sched: Favour moving tasks towards the preferred node Mel Gorman
2013-06-27 14:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-06-27 14:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-06-28 13:00 ` Mel Gorman
2013-06-27 16:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-06-28 13:01 ` Mel Gorman
2013-06-27 16:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-06-28 13:45 ` Mel Gorman
2013-06-28 15:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-06-28 8:11 ` Srikar Dronamraju
2013-06-28 9:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-06-28 10:07 ` Srikar Dronamraju
2013-06-28 10:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-06-28 13:51 ` Mel Gorman
2013-06-28 17:14 ` Srikar Dronamraju
2013-06-28 17:34 ` Mel Gorman
2013-06-28 17:44 ` Srikar Dronamraju
2013-06-26 14:38 ` [PATCH 6/8] sched: Reschedule task on preferred NUMA node once selected Mel Gorman
2013-06-27 14:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-06-28 13:54 ` Mel Gorman
2013-07-02 12:06 ` Srikar Dronamraju
2013-07-02 16:29 ` Mel Gorman
2013-07-02 18:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-07-06 6:44 ` Srikar Dronamraju
2013-07-06 10:47 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-07-02 18:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-07-03 9:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-07-03 15:28 ` Mel Gorman
2013-07-03 18:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-06-26 14:38 ` [PATCH 7/8] sched: Split accounting of NUMA hinting faults that pass two-stage filter Mel Gorman
2013-06-27 14:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-06-28 14:00 ` Mel Gorman
2013-06-28 7:00 ` Srikar Dronamraju
2013-06-28 9:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-06-28 10:12 ` Srikar Dronamraju
2013-06-28 10:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-06-28 14:29 ` Mel Gorman
2013-06-28 15:12 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2013-06-26 14:38 ` [PATCH 8/8] sched: Increase NUMA PTE scanning when a new preferred node is selected Mel Gorman
2013-06-27 14:59 ` [PATCH 0/6] Basic scheduler support for automatic NUMA balancing Peter Zijlstra
2013-06-28 13:54 ` Srikar Dronamraju
2013-07-01 5:39 ` Srikar Dronamraju
2013-07-01 8:43 ` Mel Gorman
2013-07-02 5:28 ` Srikar Dronamraju
2013-07-02 7:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-07-02 8:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
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