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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Glauber Costa <glommer@openvz.org>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
	kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	hughd@google.com, Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>,
	Dave Chinner <dchinner@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v10 11/35] list_lru: per-node list infrastructure
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 16:08:04 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130605160804.be25fb655f075efe70ec57c0@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1370287804-3481-12-git-send-email-glommer@openvz.org>

On Mon,  3 Jun 2013 23:29:40 +0400 Glauber Costa <glommer@openvz.org> wrote:

> From: Dave Chinner <dchinner@redhat.com>
> 
> Now that we have an LRU list API, we can start to enhance the
> implementation.  This splits the single LRU list into per-node lists
> and locks to enhance scalability.

Do we have any runtime measurements?  They're pretty important for
justifying inclusion of the code.

Measurememnts for non-NUMA and uniprocessor kernels would be useful in
making that decision as well.

In fact a lot of the patchset is likely to be injurious to small
machines.  We should quantify this and then persade ourselves that the
large-machine gains are worth the small-machine losses.

> Items are placed on lists
> according to the node the memory belongs to. To make scanning the
> lists efficient, also track whether the per-node lists have entries
> in them in a active nodemask.
> 
> Note:
> We use a fixed-size array for the node LRU, this struct can be very big
> if MAX_NUMNODES is big. If this becomes a problem this is fixable by
> turning this into a pointer and dynamically allocating this to
> nr_node_ids. This quantity is firwmare-provided, and still would provide
> room for all nodes at the cost of a pointer lookup and an extra
> allocation. Because that allocation will most likely come from a
> different slab cache than the main structure holding this structure, we
> may very well fail.

Surprised.  How big is MAX_NUMNODES likely to get?

lib/flex_array.c might be of use here.

>
> ...
>
> -struct list_lru {
> +struct list_lru_node {
>  	spinlock_t		lock;
>  	struct list_head	list;
>  	long			nr_items;
> +} ____cacheline_aligned_in_smp;
> +
> +struct list_lru {
> +	/*
> +	 * Because we use a fixed-size array, this struct can be very big if
> +	 * MAX_NUMNODES is big. If this becomes a problem this is fixable by
> +	 * turning this into a pointer and dynamically allocating this to
> +	 * nr_node_ids. This quantity is firwmare-provided, and still would
> +	 * provide room for all nodes at the cost of a pointer lookup and an
> +	 * extra allocation. Because that allocation will most likely come from
> +	 * a different slab cache than the main structure holding this
> +	 * structure, we may very well fail.
> +	 */
> +	struct list_lru_node	node[MAX_NUMNODES];
> +	nodemask_t		active_nodes;

Some documentation of the data structure would be helpful.  It appears
that active_nodes tracks (ie: duplicates) node[x].nr_items!=0.

It's unclear that active_nodes is really needed - we could just iterate
across all items in list_lru.node[].  Are we sure that the correct
tradeoff decision was made here?

What's the story on NUMA node hotplug, btw?

>  };
>  
>
> ...
>
>  unsigned long
> -list_lru_walk(
> -	struct list_lru *lru,
> -	list_lru_walk_cb isolate,
> -	void		*cb_arg,
> -	unsigned long	nr_to_walk)
> +list_lru_count(struct list_lru *lru)
>  {
> +	long count = 0;
> +	int nid;
> +
> +	for_each_node_mask(nid, lru->active_nodes) {
> +		struct list_lru_node *nlru = &lru->node[nid];
> +
> +		spin_lock(&nlru->lock);
> +		BUG_ON(nlru->nr_items < 0);

This is buggy.

The bit in lru->active_nodes could be cleared by now.  We can only make
this assertion if we recheck lru->active_nodes[nid] inside the
spinlocked region.

> +		count += nlru->nr_items;
> +		spin_unlock(&nlru->lock);
> +	}
> +
> +	return count;
> +}
> +EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(list_lru_count);

list_lru_count()'s return value is of course approximate.  If callers
require that the returned value be exact, they will need to provide
their own locking on top of list_lru's internal locking (which would
then become redundant).

This is the sort of thing which should be discussed in the interface
documentation.

list_lru_count() can be very expensive.

>
> ...
>

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  reply	other threads:[~2013-06-05 23:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-06-03 19:29 [PATCH v10 00/35] kmemcg shrinkers Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29 ` [PATCH v10 01/35] fs: bump inode and dentry counters to long Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29 ` [PATCH v10 02/35] super: fix calculation of shrinkable objects for small numbers Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29 ` [PATCH v10 03/35] dcache: convert dentry_stat.nr_unused to per-cpu counters Glauber Costa
2013-06-05 23:07   ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-06  1:45     ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-06  2:48       ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-06  4:02         ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-06 12:40         ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-06 22:25           ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-06 23:42             ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-07  6:03               ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29 ` [PATCH v10 04/35] dentry: move to per-sb LRU locks Glauber Costa
2013-06-05 23:07   ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-06  1:56     ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-06  8:03     ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-06 12:51       ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29 ` [PATCH v10 05/35] dcache: remove dentries from LRU before putting on dispose list Glauber Costa
2013-06-05 23:07   ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-06  8:04     ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29 ` [PATCH v10 06/35] mm: new shrinker API Glauber Costa
2013-06-05 23:07   ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-06  7:58     ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29 ` [PATCH v10 07/35] shrinker: convert superblock shrinkers to new API Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29 ` [PATCH v10 08/35] list: add a new LRU list type Glauber Costa
2013-06-05 23:07   ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-06  2:49     ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-06  3:05       ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-06  4:44         ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-06  7:04           ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-06  9:03             ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-06  9:55               ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-06 11:47                 ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-06 14:28       ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-06  8:10     ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29 ` [PATCH v10 09/35] inode: convert inode lru list to generic lru list code Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29 ` [PATCH v10 10/35] dcache: convert to use new lru list infrastructure Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29 ` [PATCH v10 11/35] list_lru: per-node " Glauber Costa
2013-06-05 23:08   ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2013-06-06  3:21     ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-06  3:51       ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-06  8:21       ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-06 16:15     ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-06 16:48       ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-03 19:29 ` [PATCH v10 12/35] shrinker: add node awareness Glauber Costa
2013-06-05 23:08   ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-06  3:26     ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-06  3:54       ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-06  8:23     ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29 ` [PATCH v10 13/35] vmscan: per-node deferred work Glauber Costa
2013-06-05 23:08   ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-06  3:37     ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-06  4:59       ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-06  7:12         ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-06  9:00     ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29 ` [PATCH v10 14/35] list_lru: per-node API Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29 ` [PATCH v10 15/35] fs: convert inode and dentry shrinking to be node aware Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29 ` [PATCH v10 16/35] xfs: convert buftarg LRU to generic code Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29 ` [PATCH v10 17/35] xfs: rework buffer dispose list tracking Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29 ` [PATCH v10 18/35] xfs: convert dquot cache lru to list_lru Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29 ` [PATCH v10 19/35] fs: convert fs shrinkers to new scan/count API Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29 ` [PATCH v10 20/35] drivers: convert shrinkers to new count/scan API Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29 ` [PATCH v10 21/35] i915: bail out earlier when shrinker cannot acquire mutex Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29 ` [PATCH v10 22/35] shrinker: convert remaining shrinkers to count/scan API Glauber Costa
2013-06-05 23:08   ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-06  3:41     ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-06  8:27       ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29 ` [PATCH v10 23/35] hugepage: convert huge zero page shrinker to new shrinker API Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29 ` [PATCH v10 24/35] shrinker: Kill old ->shrink API Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29 ` [PATCH v10 25/35] vmscan: also shrink slab in memcg pressure Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29 ` [PATCH v10 26/35] memcg,list_lru: duplicate LRUs upon kmemcg creation Glauber Costa
2013-06-05 23:08   ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-06  8:52     ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29 ` [PATCH v10 27/35] lru: add an element to a memcg list Glauber Costa
2013-06-05 23:08   ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-06  8:44     ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29 ` [PATCH v10 28/35] list_lru: per-memcg walks Glauber Costa
2013-06-05 23:08   ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-06  8:37     ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29 ` [PATCH v10 29/35] memcg: per-memcg kmem shrinking Glauber Costa
2013-06-05 23:08   ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-06  8:35     ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-06  9:49       ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-06 12:09         ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-06 22:23           ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-07  6:10             ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:29 ` [PATCH v10 30/35] memcg: scan cache objects hierarchically Glauber Costa
2013-06-05 23:08   ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-03 19:30 ` [PATCH v10 31/35] vmscan: take at least one pass with shrinkers Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:30 ` [PATCH v10 32/35] super: targeted memcg reclaim Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:30 ` [PATCH v10 33/35] memcg: move initialization to memcg creation Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:30 ` [PATCH v10 34/35] vmpressure: in-kernel notifications Glauber Costa
2013-06-03 19:30 ` [PATCH v10 35/35] memcg: reap dead memcgs upon global memory pressure Glauber Costa
2013-06-05 23:09   ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-06  8:33     ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-05 23:07 ` [PATCH v10 00/35] kmemcg shrinkers Andrew Morton
2013-06-06  3:44   ` Dave Chinner
2013-06-06  5:51   ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-06  7:18     ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-06  7:37       ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-06  7:47         ` Andrew Morton
2013-06-06  7:59           ` Glauber Costa
2013-06-07 14:15   ` Michal Hocko

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