From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from psmtp.com (na3sys010amx107.postini.com [74.125.245.107]) by kanga.kvack.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B57206B0007 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 12:50:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from /spool/local by e9.ny.us.ibm.com with IBM ESMTP SMTP Gateway: Authorized Use Only! Violators will be prosecuted for from ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 12:50:05 -0500 Received: from d01relay04.pok.ibm.com (d01relay04.pok.ibm.com [9.56.227.236]) by d01dlp01.pok.ibm.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12D5A38CB16B for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 11:29:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from d03av02.boulder.ibm.com (d03av02.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.168]) by d01relay04.pok.ibm.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/NCO v10.0) with ESMTP id r1CGTP6h039264 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 11:29:26 -0500 Received: from d03av02.boulder.ibm.com (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by d03av02.boulder.ibm.com (8.14.4/8.13.1/NCO v10.0 AVout) with ESMTP id r1CGTKob007290 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2013 09:29:21 -0700 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 08:10:51 -0800 From: "Paul E. McKenney" Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 4/7] memcg: remove memcg from the reclaim iterators Message-ID: <20130212161051.GQ2666@linux.vnet.ibm.com> Reply-To: paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com References: <20130208193318.GA15951@cmpxchg.org> <20130211151649.GD19922@dhcp22.suse.cz> <20130211175619.GC13218@cmpxchg.org> <20130211192929.GB29000@dhcp22.suse.cz> <20130211195824.GB15951@cmpxchg.org> <20130211212756.GC29000@dhcp22.suse.cz> <20130211223943.GC15951@cmpxchg.org> <20130212095419.GB4863@dhcp22.suse.cz> <20130212151002.GD15951@cmpxchg.org> <20130212154330.GG4863@dhcp22.suse.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20130212154330.GG4863@dhcp22.suse.cz> Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org List-ID: To: Michal Hocko Cc: Johannes Weiner , linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki , Ying Han , Tejun Heo , Glauber Costa , Li Zefan On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 04:43:30PM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote: > On Tue 12-02-13 10:10:02, Johannes Weiner wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:54:19AM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote: > > > On Mon 11-02-13 17:39:43, Johannes Weiner wrote: > > > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 10:27:56PM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote: > > > > > On Mon 11-02-13 14:58:24, Johannes Weiner wrote: > > > > > > That way, if the dead count gives the go-ahead, you KNOW that the > > > > > > position cache is valid, because it has been updated first. > > > > > > > > > > OK, you are right. We can live without css_tryget because dead_count is > > > > > either OK which means that css would be alive at least this rcu period > > > > > (and RCU walk would be safe as well) or it is incremented which means > > > > > that we have started css_offline already and then css is dead already. > > > > > So css_tryget can be dropped. > > > > > > > > Not quite :) > > > > > > > > The dead_count check is for completed destructions, > > > > > > Not quite :P. dead_count is incremented in css_offline callback which is > > > called before the cgroup core releases its last reference and unlinks > > > the group from the siblinks. css_tryget would already fail at this stage > > > because CSS_DEACT_BIAS is in place at that time but this doesn't break > > > RCU walk. So I think we are safe even without css_get. > > > > But you drop the RCU lock before you return. > > > > dead_count IS incremented for every destruction, but it's not reliable > > for concurrent ones, is what I meant. Again, if there is a dead_count > > mismatch, your pointer might be dangling, easy case. However, even if > > there is no mismatch, you could still race with a destruction that has > > marked the object dead, and then frees it once you drop the RCU lock, > > so you need try_get() to check if the object is dead, or you could > > return a pointer to freed or soon to be freed memory. > > Wait a moment. But what prevents from the following race? > > rcu_read_lock() > mem_cgroup_css_offline(memcg) > root->dead_count++ > iter->last_dead_count = root->dead_count > iter->last_visited = memcg > // final > css_put(memcg); > // last_visited is still valid > rcu_read_unlock() > [...] > // next iteration > rcu_read_lock() > iter->last_dead_count == root->dead_count > // KABOOM > > The race window between dead_count++ and css_put is quite big but that > is not important because that css_put can happen anytime before we start > the next iteration and take rcu_read_lock. The usual approach is to make sure that there is a grace period (either synchronize_rcu() or call_rcu()) between the time that the data is made inaccessible to readers (this would be mem_cgroup_css_offline()?) and the time it is freed (css_put(), correct?). Thanx, Paul -- To unsubscribe, send a message with 'unsubscribe linux-mm' in the body to majordomo@kvack.org. For more info on Linux MM, see: http://www.linux-mm.org/ . Don't email: email@kvack.org