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From: Zach Brown <zab@zabbo.net>
To: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
Cc: Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	bugzilla-daemon@bugzilla.kernel.org, meetmehiro@gmail.com,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Bug 50981] generic_file_aio_read ?: No locking means DATA CORRUPTION read and write on same 4096 page  range
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 12:15:06 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20121126201506.GG23854@lenny.home.zabbo.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1211261144190.1183@eggly.anvils>

On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:05:57PM -0800, Hugh Dickins wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2012, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 04:33:28PM +0000, bugzilla-daemon@bugzilla.kernel.org wrote:
> > > https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50981
> > >
> > > as this is working properly with XFS, so in ext4/ext3...etc also we shouldn't
> > > require synchronization at the Application level,., FS should take care of
> > > locking... will we expecting the fix for the same ???
> > 
> > Meetmehiro,
> > 
> > At this point, there seems to be consensus that the kernel should take
> > care of the locking, and that this is not something that needs be a
> > worry for the application.
> 
> Gosh, that's a very sudden new consensus.  The consensus over the past
> ten or twenty years has been that the Linux kernel enforce locking for
> consistent atomic writes, but skip that overhead on reads - hasn't it?

I was wondering exactly the same thing.

> > So the question is whether every file system which supports AIO should
> > add its own locking, or whether it should be done at the mm layer, and
> > at which point the lock in the XFS layer could be removed as no longer
> > necessary.

(This has nothing to do with AIO.  Buffered reads have been copied from
unlocked pages.. basically forever, right?)

> Thanks, that's helpful; but I think linux-mm people would want to defer
> to linux-fsdevel maintainers on this: mm/filemap.c happens to be in mm/,
> but a fundamental change to VFS locking philosophy is not mm's call.
> 
> I don't see that page locking would have anything to do with it: if we
> are going to start guaranteeing reads atomic against concurrent writes,
> then surely it's the size requested by the user to be guaranteed,
> spanning however many pages and fs-blocks: i_mutex, or a more
> efficiently crafted alternative.

Agreed.  While this little racing test might be fixed, those baked in
page_size == 4k == atomic granularity assumptions are pretty sketchy.

So we're talking about holding multiple page locks?  Or i_mutex?  Or
some fancy range locking?

There's consensus on serializing overlapping buffered reads and writes? 

- z
*readying the read(, mmap(), ) fault deadlock toy*

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      parent reply	other threads:[~2012-11-26 20:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <bug-50981-5823@https.bugzilla.kernel.org/>
     [not found] ` <20121126163328.ACEB011FE9C@bugzilla.kernel.org>
2012-11-26 16:45   ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-11-26 18:59     ` Hiro Lalwani
2012-11-26 20:05     ` Hugh Dickins
2012-11-26 20:13       ` Christoph Hellwig
2012-11-26 21:28         ` Dave Chinner
2012-11-26 21:39           ` Christoph Hellwig
2012-11-26 21:49         ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-11-26 22:09           ` Christoph Hellwig
2012-11-27  1:32             ` Theodore Ts'o
2012-11-27  4:27               ` Dave Chinner
2012-11-26 22:17           ` Dave Chinner
2012-11-26 20:15       ` Zach Brown [this message]

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