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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>
To: Glauber Costa <glommer@parallels.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, devel@openvz.org,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com, Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 06/11] memcg: kmem controller infrastructure
Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2012 15:09:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120815130952.GI23985@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <502B6F00.8040207@parallels.com>

On Wed 15-08-12 13:42:24, Glauber Costa wrote:
[...]
> >> +
> >> +	ret = 0;
> >> +
> >> +	if (!memcg)
> >> +		return ret;
> >> +
> >> +	_memcg = memcg;
> >> +	ret = __mem_cgroup_try_charge(NULL, gfp, delta / PAGE_SIZE,
> >> +	    &_memcg, may_oom);
> > 
> > This is really dangerous because atomic allocation which seem to be
> > possible could result in deadlocks because of the reclaim. 
> 
> Can you elaborate on how this would happen?

Say you have an atomic allocation and we hit the limit so we get either
to reclaim which can sleep or to oom which can sleep as well (depending
on the oom_control).

> > Also, as I have mentioned in the other email in this thread. Why
> > should we reclaim just because of kernel allocation when we are not
> > reclaiming any of it because shrink_slab is ignored in the memcg
> > reclaim.
> 
> Don't get too distracted by the fact that shrink_slab is ignored. It is
> temporary, and while this being ignored now leads to suboptimal
> behavior, it will 1st, only affect its users, and 2nd, not be disastrous.

It's not just about shrink_slab it is also about triggering memcg-oom
which doesn't consider kmem accounted memory so the wrong tasks could
be killed. It is true that the impact is packed inside the group
(hierarchy) so you are right it won't be disastrous.
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-08-15 13:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 135+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-08-09 13:01 [PATCH v2 00/11] Request for Inclusion: kmem controller for memcg Glauber Costa
2012-08-09 13:01 ` [PATCH v2 01/11] memcg: Make it possible to use the stock for more than one page Glauber Costa
2012-08-10 15:12   ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-09 13:01 ` [PATCH v2 02/11] memcg: Reclaim when more than one page needed Glauber Costa
2012-08-10 15:42   ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-10 16:49     ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-08-10 17:28       ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-10 17:56         ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-08-10 17:30   ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-10 18:52     ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-10 18:54   ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-13  8:05     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-13 13:10       ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-09 13:01 ` [PATCH v2 03/11] memcg: change defines to an enum Glauber Costa
2012-08-10 15:43   ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-09 13:01 ` [PATCH v2 04/11] kmem accounting basic infrastructure Glauber Costa
2012-08-10 17:02   ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-08-13  8:36     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-17  2:38       ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-08-14 16:21   ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-15  9:33     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 11:12       ` James Bottomley
2012-08-15 12:55         ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-15 13:29           ` James Bottomley
2012-08-15 12:39       ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-15 12:53         ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 13:02           ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-15 13:04             ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 13:26               ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-15 13:31                 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 14:10                   ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-15 14:11                     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 14:47         ` Christoph Lameter
2012-08-15 15:11           ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 15:34             ` Christoph Lameter
2012-08-15 15:35               ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 17:26                 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-08-15 18:11               ` Ying Han
2012-08-15 18:25                 ` Christoph Lameter
2012-08-15 19:22                   ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 18:07             ` Ying Han
2012-08-15 15:19           ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-15 15:36             ` Christoph Lameter
2012-08-15 18:01         ` Ying Han
2012-08-15 18:00           ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 19:50     ` Ying Han
2012-08-16 15:25       ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-17  5:58         ` Ying Han
2012-08-09 13:01 ` [PATCH v2 05/11] Add a __GFP_KMEMCG flag Glauber Costa
2012-08-10 17:07   ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-08-09 13:01 ` [PATCH v2 06/11] memcg: kmem controller infrastructure Glauber Costa
2012-08-10 17:27   ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-08-13  8:28     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-14 18:58       ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-15  9:18         ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 16:38           ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-15 17:00             ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 17:12               ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-15 19:31                 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-16  3:37                   ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-16  7:47                     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-20 13:36               ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-08-20 15:29                 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-17  2:36       ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-08-17  7:04         ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-14 11:00     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-11  5:11   ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-13  8:07     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-13  9:59     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-13 21:21       ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-14 17:25   ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-15  9:42     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 10:44       ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 13:09       ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2012-08-15 14:01         ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 14:23           ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-15 14:27             ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-16  9:53               ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-16  9:57                 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-16 15:05                   ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-16 15:22                     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-21 21:50   ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-22  8:35     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-23  0:07       ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-23  7:51         ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-09 13:01 ` [PATCH v2 07/11] mm: Allocate kernel pages to the right memcg Glauber Costa
2012-08-09 16:33   ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-09 16:42     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-10 17:33   ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-08-13  8:03     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-13  8:57       ` Mel Gorman
2012-08-10 17:36   ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-13  8:02     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-14 15:16   ` Mel Gorman
2012-08-15  9:08     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 13:22       ` Mel Gorman
2012-08-15 13:39         ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15 13:51         ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-15  9:24   ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-09 13:01 ` [PATCH v2 08/11] memcg: disable kmem code when not in use Glauber Costa
2012-08-17  7:02   ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-17  7:01     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-17  8:04       ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-09 13:01 ` [PATCH v2 09/11] memcg: propagate kmem limiting information to children Glauber Costa
2012-08-10 17:51   ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-08-13  8:01     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-17  9:00   ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-17  9:15     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-17  9:35       ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-17 10:07         ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-17 10:35           ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-17 10:36             ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-21  7:54               ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-21  8:35                 ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-21  9:17                   ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-21  9:22                 ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-21 10:00                   ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-21 10:01                     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-22  1:09                     ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-22  8:22                       ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-22 23:23                         ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-23  7:55                           ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-24  5:06                             ` Greg Thelen
2012-08-24  5:23                               ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-17 10:39             ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-09 13:01 ` [PATCH v2 10/11] memcg: allow a memcg with kmem charges to be destructed Glauber Costa
2012-08-21  8:22   ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-22  8:36     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-09 13:01 ` [PATCH v2 11/11] protect architectures where THREAD_SIZE >= PAGE_SIZE against fork bombs Glauber Costa
2012-08-10 17:54   ` Kamezawa Hiroyuki
2012-08-21  9:35   ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-21  9:40     ` Glauber Costa
2012-08-21 10:57       ` Michal Hocko
2012-08-17 21:37 ` [PATCH v2 00/11] Request for Inclusion: kmem controller for memcg Ying Han
2012-08-20  7:51   ` Glauber Costa

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