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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>
To: Ying Han <yinghan@google.com>, Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Cc: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Daisuke Nishimura <nishimura@mxp.nes.nec.co.jp>,
	Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>, Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>,
	Michel Lespinasse <walken@google.com>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [patch 4/8] memcg: rework soft limit reclaim
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 09:36:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110610073638.GA15403@tiehlicka.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110609150026.GD3994@tiehlicka.suse.cz>

On Thu 09-06-11 17:00:26, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Thu 02-06-11 22:25:29, Ying Han wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Ying Han <yinghan@google.com> wrote:
> > > On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 11:25 PM, Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org> wrote:
> > >> Currently, soft limit reclaim is entered from kswapd, where it selects
> [...]
> > >> diff --git a/mm/vmscan.c b/mm/vmscan.c
> > >> index c7d4b44..0163840 100644
> > >> --- a/mm/vmscan.c
> > >> +++ b/mm/vmscan.c
> > >> @@ -1988,9 +1988,13 @@ static void shrink_zone(int priority, struct zone *zone,
> > >>                unsigned long reclaimed = sc->nr_reclaimed;
> > >>                unsigned long scanned = sc->nr_scanned;
> > >>                unsigned long nr_reclaimed;
> > >> +               int epriority = priority;
> > >> +
> > >> +               if (mem_cgroup_soft_limit_exceeded(root, mem))
> > >> +                       epriority -= 1;
> > >
> > > Here we grant the ability to shrink from all the memcgs, but only
> > > higher the priority for those exceed the soft_limit. That is a design
> > > change
> > > for the "soft_limit" which giving a hint to which memcgs to reclaim
> > > from first under global memory pressure.
> > 
> > 
> > Basically, we shouldn't reclaim from a memcg under its soft_limit
> > unless we have trouble reclaim pages from others. 
> 
> Agreed.
> 
> > Something like the following makes better sense:
> > 
> > diff --git a/mm/vmscan.c b/mm/vmscan.c
> > index bdc2fd3..b82ba8c 100644
> > --- a/mm/vmscan.c
> > +++ b/mm/vmscan.c
> > @@ -1989,6 +1989,8 @@ restart:
> >         throttle_vm_writeout(sc->gfp_mask);
> >  }
> > 
> > +#define MEMCG_SOFTLIMIT_RECLAIM_PRIORITY       2
> > +
> >  static void shrink_zone(int priority, struct zone *zone,
> >                                 struct scan_control *sc)
> >  {
> > @@ -2001,13 +2003,13 @@ static void shrink_zone(int priority, struct zone *zone,
> >                 unsigned long reclaimed = sc->nr_reclaimed;
> >                 unsigned long scanned = sc->nr_scanned;
> >                 unsigned long nr_reclaimed;
> > -               int epriority = priority;
> > 
> > -               if (mem_cgroup_soft_limit_exceeded(root, mem))
> > -                       epriority -= 1;
> > +               if (!mem_cgroup_soft_limit_exceeded(root, mem) &&
> > +                               priority > MEMCG_SOFTLIMIT_RECLAIM_PRIORITY)
> > +                       continue;
> 
> yes, this makes sense but I am not sure about the right(tm) value of the
> MEMCG_SOFTLIMIT_RECLAIM_PRIORITY. 2 sounds too low. 

There is also another problem. I have just realized that this code path
is shared with the cgroup direct reclaim. We shouldn't care about soft
limit in such a situation. It would be just a wasting of cycles. So we
have to:

if (current_is_kswapd() && 
	!mem_cgroup_soft_limit_exceeded(root, mem) && 
	priority > MEMCG_SOFTLIMIT_RECLAIM_PRIORITY)
	continue;

Maybe the condition would have to be more complex for per-cgroup
background reclaim, though.

> You would do quite a
> lot of loops 
> (DEFAULT_PRIORITY-MEMCG_SOFTLIMIT_RECLAIM_PRIORITY) * zones * memcg_count
> without any progress (assuming that all of them are under soft limit
> which doesn't sound like a totally artificial configuration) until you
> allow reclaiming from groups that are under soft limit. Then, when you
> finally get to reclaiming, you scan rather aggressively.
> 
> Maybe something like 3/4 of DEFAULT_PRIORITY? You would get 3 times
> over all (unbalanced) zones and all cgroups that are above the limit
> (scanning max{1/4096+1/2048+1/1024, 3*SWAP_CLUSTER_MAX} of the LRUs for
> each cgroup) which could be enough to collect the low hanging fruit.

-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs
SUSE LINUX s.r.o.
Lihovarska 1060/12
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Czech Republic

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-06-10  7:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-06-01  6:25 [patch 0/8] mm: memcg naturalization -rc2 Johannes Weiner
2011-06-01  6:25 ` [patch 1/8] memcg: remove unused retry signal from reclaim Johannes Weiner
2011-06-01  6:25 ` [patch 2/8] mm: memcg-aware global reclaim Johannes Weiner
2011-06-02 13:59   ` Hiroyuki Kamezawa
2011-06-02 15:01     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-02 16:14       ` Hiroyuki Kamezawa
2011-06-02 17:29         ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-09 14:01           ` Michal Hocko
2011-06-07 12:25   ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-06-08  9:30     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-09  9:26       ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-06-09 16:57         ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-09 13:12   ` Michal Hocko
2011-06-09 13:45     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-09 15:48   ` Minchan Kim
2011-06-09 17:23     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-09 23:41       ` Minchan Kim
2011-06-09 23:47         ` Minchan Kim
2011-06-10  0:34           ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-10  0:48             ` Minchan Kim
2011-08-11 20:39   ` Ying Han
2011-08-11 21:09     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-29  7:15       ` Ying Han
2011-08-29  7:22         ` Ying Han
2011-08-29  7:57           ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-30  6:08             ` Ying Han
2011-08-29 19:04           ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-29 20:36             ` Ying Han
2011-08-29 21:05               ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-30  7:07                 ` Ying Han
2011-08-30 15:14                   ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-31 22:58                     ` Ying Han
2011-09-21  8:44                       ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-29  8:07         ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-01  6:25 ` [patch 3/8] memcg: reclaim statistics Johannes Weiner
2011-06-01  6:25 ` [patch 4/8] memcg: rework soft limit reclaim Johannes Weiner
2011-06-02  5:37   ` Ying Han
2011-06-02 21:55   ` Ying Han
2011-06-03  5:25     ` Ying Han
2011-06-09 15:00       ` Michal Hocko
2011-06-10  7:36         ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2011-06-15 22:57           ` Ying Han
2011-06-16  0:33             ` Ying Han
2011-06-16 11:45             ` Michal Hocko
2011-06-15 22:48         ` Ying Han
2011-06-16 11:41           ` Michal Hocko
2011-06-01  6:25 ` [patch 5/8] memcg: remove unused soft limit code Johannes Weiner
2011-06-13  9:26   ` Michal Hocko
2011-06-01  6:25 ` [patch 6/8] vmscan: change zone_nr_lru_pages to take memcg instead of scan control Johannes Weiner
2011-06-02 13:30   ` Hiroyuki Kamezawa
2011-06-02 14:28     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-13  9:29   ` Michal Hocko
2011-06-01  6:25 ` [patch 7/8] vmscan: memcg-aware unevictable page rescue scanner Johannes Weiner
2011-06-02 13:27   ` Hiroyuki Kamezawa
2011-06-02 14:27     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-02 21:02     ` Ying Han
2011-06-02 22:01       ` Hiroyuki Kamezawa
2011-06-02 22:19         ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-02 23:15           ` Hiroyuki Kamezawa
2011-06-03  5:08           ` Ying Han
2011-06-13  9:42   ` Michal Hocko
2011-06-13 10:30     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-13 11:18       ` Michal Hocko
2011-07-19 22:47   ` Ying Han
2011-07-20  0:36     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-29  7:28       ` Ying Han
2011-08-29  7:59         ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-01  6:25 ` [patch 8/8] mm: make per-memcg lru lists exclusive Johannes Weiner
2011-06-02 13:16   ` Hiroyuki Kamezawa
2011-06-02 14:24     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-02 15:54       ` Hiroyuki Kamezawa
2011-06-02 17:57         ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-08 15:04           ` Michal Hocko
2011-06-07 12:42   ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-06-08  8:54     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-09  9:23       ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-08-11 20:33   ` Ying Han
2011-08-12  8:34     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-12 17:08       ` Ying Han
2011-08-12 19:17         ` Johannes Weiner
2011-08-15  3:01           ` Ying Han
2011-08-15  1:34       ` Ying Han
2011-08-15  9:39         ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-01 23:52 ` [patch 0/8] mm: memcg naturalization -rc2 Hiroyuki Kamezawa
2011-06-02  0:35   ` Greg Thelen
2011-06-09  1:13     ` Rik van Riel
2011-06-02  4:05   ` Ying Han
2011-06-02  7:50     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-02 15:51       ` Ying Han
2011-06-02 17:51         ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-08  3:45           ` Ying Han
2011-06-08  3:53           ` Ying Han
2011-06-08 15:32             ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-09  3:52               ` Ying Han
2011-06-09  8:35                 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-09 17:36                   ` Ying Han
2011-06-09 18:36                     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-09 21:38                       ` Ying Han
2011-06-09 22:30                       ` Ying Han
2011-06-09 23:31                         ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-10  0:17                           ` Ying Han
2011-06-02  7:33   ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-02  9:06     ` Hiroyuki Kamezawa
2011-06-02 10:00       ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-02 12:59         ` Hiroyuki Kamezawa
2011-06-09  1:15           ` Rik van Riel
2011-06-09  8:43             ` Johannes Weiner
2011-06-09  9:31               ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-06-13  9:47 ` Michal Hocko
2011-06-13 10:35   ` Johannes Weiner

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