From: Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
To: Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, colin.king@canonical.com,
raghu.prabhu13@gmail.com, jack@suse.cz, chris.mason@oracle.com,
cl@linux.com, penberg@kernel.org, riel@redhat.com,
hannes@cmpxchg.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/4] mm: vmscan: If kswapd has been running too long, allow it to sleep
Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 11:27:53 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110516102753.GF5279@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinW4s6aT2bZ79sHNgdh5j8VYyJz2w@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 05:58:59PM +0900, Minchan Kim wrote:
> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de> wrote:
> > On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 02:04:00PM +0900, Minchan Kim wrote:
> >> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 1:21 PM, James Bottomley
> >> <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com> wrote:
> >> > On Sun, 2011-05-15 at 19:27 +0900, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
> >> >> (2011/05/13 23:03), Mel Gorman wrote:
> >> >> > Under constant allocation pressure, kswapd can be in the situation where
> >> >> > sleeping_prematurely() will always return true even if kswapd has been
> >> >> > running a long time. Check if kswapd needs to be scheduled.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Signed-off-by: Mel Gorman<mgorman@suse.de>
> >> >> > ---
> >> >> > mm/vmscan.c | 4 ++++
> >> >> > 1 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > diff --git a/mm/vmscan.c b/mm/vmscan.c
> >> >> > index af24d1e..4d24828 100644
> >> >> > --- a/mm/vmscan.c
> >> >> > +++ b/mm/vmscan.c
> >> >> > @@ -2251,6 +2251,10 @@ static bool sleeping_prematurely(pg_data_t *pgdat, int order, long remaining,
> >> >> > unsigned long balanced = 0;
> >> >> > bool all_zones_ok = true;
> >> >> >
> >> >> > + /* If kswapd has been running too long, just sleep */
> >> >> > + if (need_resched())
> >> >> > + return false;
> >> >> > +
> >> >>
> >> >> Hmm... I don't like this patch so much. because this code does
> >> >>
> >> >> - don't sleep if kswapd got context switch at shrink_inactive_list
> >> >
> >> > This isn't entirely true: need_resched() will be false, so we'll follow
> >> > the normal path for determining whether to sleep or not, in effect
> >> > leaving the current behaviour unchanged.
> >> >
> >> >> - sleep if kswapd didn't
> >> >
> >> > This also isn't entirely true: whether need_resched() is true at this
> >> > point depends on a whole lot more that whether we did a context switch
> >> > in shrink_inactive. It mostly depends on how long we've been running
> >> > without giving up the CPU. Generally that will mean we've been round
> >> > the shrinker loop hundreds to thousands of times without sleeping.
> >> >
> >> >> It seems to be semi random behavior.
> >> >
> >> > Well, we have to do something. Chris Mason first suspected the hang was
> >> > a kswapd rescheduling problem a while ago. We tried putting
> >> > cond_rescheds() in several places in the vmscan code, but to no avail.
> >>
> >> Is it a result of test with patch of Hannes(ie, !pgdat_balanced)?
> >>
> >> If it isn't, it would be nop regardless of putting cond_reshed at vmscan.c.
> >> Because, although we complete zone balancing, kswapd doesn't sleep as
> >> pgdat_balance returns wrong result. And at last VM calls
> >> balance_pgdat. In this case, balance_pgdat returns without any work as
> >> kswap couldn't find zones which have not enough free pages and goto
> >> out. kswapd could repeat this work infinitely. So you don't have a
> >> chance to call cond_resched.
> >>
> >> But if your test was with Hanne's patch, I am very curious how come
> >> kswapd consumes CPU a lot.
> >>
> >> > The need_resched() in sleeping_prematurely() seems to be about the best
> >> > option. The other option might be just to put a cond_resched() in
> >> > kswapd_try_to_sleep(), but that will really have about the same effect.
> >>
> >> I don't oppose it but before that, I think we have to know why kswapd
> >> consumes CPU a lot although we applied Hannes' patch.
> >>
> >
> > Because it's still possible for processes to allocate pages at the same
> > rate kswapd is freeing them leading to a situation where kswapd does not
> > consider the zone balanced for prolonged periods of time.
>
> We have cond_resched in shrink_page_list, shrink_slab and balance_pgdat.
> So I think kswapd can be scheduled out although it's scheduled in
> after a short time as task scheduled also need page reclaim. Although
> all task in system need reclaim, kswapd cpu 99% consumption is a
> natural result, I think.
> Do I miss something?
>
Lets see;
shrink_page_list() only applies if inactive pages were isolated
which in turn may not happen if all_unreclaimable is set in
shrink_zones(). If for whatver reason, all_unreclaimable is
set on all zones, we can miss calling cond_resched().
shrink_slab only applies if we are reclaiming slab pages. If the first
shrinker returns -1, we do not call cond_resched(). If that
first shrinker is dcache and __GFP_FS is not set, direct
reclaimers will not shrink at all. However, if there are
enough of them running or if one of the other shrinkers
is running for a very long time, kswapd could be starved
acquiring the shrinker_rwsem and never reaching the
cond_resched().
balance_pgdat() only calls cond_resched if the zones are not
balanced. For a high-order allocation that is balanced, it
checks order-0 again. During that window, order-0 might have
become unbalanced so it loops again for order-0 and returns
that was reclaiming for order-0 to kswapd(). It can then find
that a caller has rewoken kswapd for a high-order and re-enters
balance_pgdat() without ever have called cond_resched().
While it appears unlikely, there are bad conditions which can result
in cond_resched() being avoided.
--
Mel Gorman
SUSE Labs
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-05-16 10:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-05-13 14:03 [PATCH 0/4] Reduce impact to overall system of SLUB using high-order allocations V2 Mel Gorman
2011-05-13 14:03 ` [PATCH 1/4] mm: vmscan: Correct use of pgdat_balanced in sleeping_prematurely Mel Gorman
2011-05-13 14:28 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-05-14 16:30 ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-16 14:30 ` Rik van Riel
2011-05-13 14:03 ` [PATCH 2/4] mm: slub: Do not wake kswapd for SLUBs speculative high-order allocations Mel Gorman
2011-05-16 21:10 ` David Rientjes
2011-05-18 6:09 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-05-18 17:21 ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-13 14:03 ` [PATCH 3/4] mm: slub: Do not take expensive steps " Mel Gorman
2011-05-16 21:16 ` David Rientjes
2011-05-17 8:42 ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-17 13:51 ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-17 16:22 ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-17 17:52 ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-17 19:35 ` David Rientjes
2011-05-17 19:31 ` David Rientjes
2011-05-13 14:03 ` [PATCH 4/4] mm: vmscan: If kswapd has been running too long, allow it to sleep Mel Gorman
2011-05-15 10:27 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-16 4:21 ` James Bottomley
2011-05-16 5:04 ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-16 8:45 ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-16 8:58 ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-16 10:27 ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2011-05-16 23:50 ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-17 0:48 ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-17 10:38 ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-17 13:50 ` Colin Ian King
2011-05-17 16:15 ` [PATCH] mm: vmscan: Correctly check if reclaimer should schedule during shrink_slab Mel Gorman
2011-05-18 0:45 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-19 0:03 ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-19 0:09 ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-19 11:36 ` Colin Ian King
2011-05-20 0:06 ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-18 4:19 ` [PATCH 4/4] mm: vmscan: If kswapd has been running too long, allow it to sleep Minchan Kim
2011-05-18 7:39 ` Colin Ian King
2011-05-18 4:09 ` James Bottomley
2011-05-18 1:05 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-18 5:44 ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-18 6:05 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-18 9:58 ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-18 22:55 ` Minchan Kim
2011-05-18 23:54 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-18 0:26 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2011-05-18 9:57 ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-16 8:45 ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-16 14:30 ` Rik van Riel
2011-05-13 15:19 ` [PATCH 0/4] Reduce impact to overall system of SLUB using high-order allocations V2 James Bottomley
2011-05-13 15:52 ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-13 15:21 ` Christoph Lameter
2011-05-13 15:43 ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-14 8:34 ` Colin Ian King
2011-05-16 8:37 ` Mel Gorman
2011-05-16 11:24 ` Colin Ian King
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