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From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: OGAWA Hirofumi <hirofumi@mail.parknet.co.jp>
Cc: "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@us.ibm.com>,
	Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	"Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>,
	Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	Joel Becker <jlbec@evilplan.org>,
	linux-scsi <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, Mingming Cao <mcao@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCHSET v3.1 0/7] data integrity: Stabilize pages during writeback for various fses
Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 14:38:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110510123819.GB4402@quack.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87tyd31fkc.fsf@devron.myhome.or.jp>

On Tue 10-05-11 10:59:15, OGAWA Hirofumi wrote:
> "Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@us.ibm.com> writes:
> 
> > To assess the performance impact of stable page writes, I moved to a disk that
> > doesn't have DIF support so that I could measure just the impact of waiting for
> > writeback.  I first ran wac with 64 threads madly scribbling on a 64k file and
> > saw about a 12 percent performance decrease.  I then reran the wac program with
> > 64 threads and a 64MB file and saw about the same performance numbers.  As I
> > suspected, the patchset only seems to impact workloads that rewrite the same
> > memory page frequently.
> >
> > I am still chasing down what exactly is broken in ext3.  data=writeback mode
> > passes with no failures.  data=ordered, however, does not pass; my current
> > suspicion is that jbd is calling submit_bh on data buffers but doesn't call
> > page_mkclean to kick the userspace programs off the page before writing it.
> >
> > Per various comments regarding v3 of this patchset, I've integrated his
> > suggestions, reworked the patch descriptions to make it clearer which ones
> > touch all the filesystems and which ones are to fix remaining holes in specific
> > filesystems, and expanded the scope of filesystems that got fixed.
> >
> > As always, questions and comments are welcome; and thank you to all the
> > previous reviewers of this patchset.  I am also soliciting people's opinions on
> > whether or not these patches could go upstream for .40.
> 
> I'd like to know those patches are on what state. Waiting in writeback
> page makes slower, like you mentioned it (I guess it would more
> noticeable if device was slower that like FAT uses). And I think
> currently it doesn't help anything others for blk-integrity stuff
> (without other technic, it doesn't help FS consistency)?
> 
> So, why is this locking stuff enabled always? I think it would be better
> to enable only if blk-integrity stuff was enabled.
> 
> If it was more sophisticate but more complex stuff (e.g. use
> copy-on-write technic for it), I would agree always enable though.
  Well, also software RAID generally needs this feature (so that parity
information / mirror can be properly kept in sync). Not that I'd advocate
that this feature must be always enabled, it's just that there are also
other users besides blk-integrity.

								Honza
-- 
Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
SUSE Labs, CR

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-05-10 12:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-05-09 23:03 Darrick J. Wong
2011-05-09 23:03 ` [PATCH 1/7] mm: Wait for writeback when grabbing pages to begin a write Darrick J. Wong
2011-05-09 23:03 ` [PATCH 2/7] fs: block_page_mkwrite should wait for writeback to finish Darrick J. Wong
2011-05-10 12:41   ` Jan Kara
2011-05-10 17:12     ` Darrick J. Wong
2011-05-09 23:03 ` [PATCH 3/7] mm: Provide stub page_mkwrite functionality to stabilize pages during writes Darrick J. Wong
2011-05-09 23:03 ` [PATCH 4/7] ext4: Clean up some wait_on_page_writeback calls Darrick J. Wong
2011-05-18 18:16   ` [4/7] " Ted Ts'o
2011-05-09 23:03 ` [PATCH 5/7] ext4: Wait for writeback to complete while making pages writable Darrick J. Wong
2011-05-18 18:17   ` [5/7] " Ted Ts'o
2011-05-09 23:04 ` [PATCH 6/7] ext2: Lock buffer_head during metadata update Darrick J. Wong
2011-05-09 23:04 ` [PATCH 7/7] fat: Lock buffer_head during metadata updates Darrick J. Wong
2011-05-10  0:06 ` [PATCHSET v3.1 0/7] data integrity: Stabilize pages during writeback for various fses Dave Chinner
2011-05-10  1:59 ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2011-05-10 12:38   ` Jan Kara [this message]
2011-05-10 13:12     ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2011-05-10 13:29       ` Jan Kara
2011-05-10 13:46         ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2011-05-10 14:05           ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2011-05-10 14:54             ` Jan Kara
2011-05-10 16:12               ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2011-05-10 16:22                 ` Jan Kara
2011-05-10 16:28                   ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2011-05-16 18:47                     ` Darrick J. Wong
2011-05-16 19:31                       ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2011-05-17  1:23                         ` Darrick J. Wong
2011-05-17  3:30                           ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2011-10-23 16:38                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2011-05-10 13:36   ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-05-10 13:52     ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2011-05-10 14:49       ` Jan Kara
2011-05-10 15:24         ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2011-05-10 16:18           ` Jan Kara
2011-05-10 16:29             ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2011-05-10 17:03               ` Jan Kara
2011-05-10 17:03           ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-05-10 20:50             ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2011-05-11  5:55               ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-05-11  9:36                 ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2011-05-10 12:51 ` Jan Kara
2011-05-10 16:24   ` Chris Mason
2011-05-11 18:19   ` Darrick J. Wong
2011-05-12  9:42     ` Jan Kara
2011-05-16 18:49       ` Darrick J. Wong
2011-05-16 18:59         ` Jan Kara
2011-05-16 19:09           ` Darrick J. Wong
2011-05-16 19:04 ` Darrick J. Wong
2011-05-16 20:27   ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-05-16 20:55     ` Darrick J. Wong
2011-05-17 14:01       ` Christoph Hellwig

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