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From: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
To: Ying Han <yinghan@google.com>
Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
	Daisuke Nishimura <nishimura@mxp.nes.nec.co.jp>,
	Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@openvz.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Li Zefan <lizf@cn.fujitsu.com>, Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Zhu Yanhai <zhu.yanhai@gmail.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH V6 00/10] memcg: per cgroup background reclaim
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 13:46:27 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110421134627.6a7a6ad5.kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimp+=soLEH7M8yUpsLLssjgyKrL4w@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 21:24:07 -0700
Ying Han <yinghan@google.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 9:00 PM, KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <
> kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com> wrote:

> > > > Two watermarks ("high_wmark", "low_wmark") are added to trigger the
> > > > background reclaim and stop it. The watermarks are calculated based
> > > > on the cgroup's limit_in_bytes.
> > >
> > > Which brings me to the next issue: making the watermarks configurable.
> > >
> > > You argued that having them adjustable from userspace is required for
> > > overcommitting the hardlimits and per-memcg kswapd reclaim not kicking
> > > in in case of global memory pressure.  But that is only a problem
> > > because global kswapd reclaim is (apart from soft limit reclaim)
> > > unaware of memory control groups.
> > >
> > > I think the much better solution is to make global kswapd memcg aware
> > > (with the above mentioned round-robin reclaim scheduler), compared to
> > > adding new (and final!) kernel ABI to avoid an internal shortcoming.
> > >
> >
> > I don't think its a good idea to kick kswapd even when free memory is
> > enough.
> >
> > If memcg-kswapd implemted, I'd like to add auto-cgroup for memcg-kswapd and
> > limit its cpu usage because it works even when memory is not in-short.
> >
> 
> How are we gonna isolate the memcg-kswapd cpu usage under the workqueue
> model?
> 

Admin can limit the total cpu usage of memcg-kswapd. So, using private
workqueue model seems to make sense.
If background-reclaim uses up its cpu share, heavy worker memcg will hit
direct reclaim and need to consume its own cpu time. I think it's fair. 

Thanks,
-Kame

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-04-21  4:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-04-19  3:57 Ying Han
2011-04-19  3:57 ` [PATCH V6 01/10] Add kswapd descriptor Ying Han
2011-04-19  3:57 ` [PATCH V6 02/10] Add per memcg reclaim watermarks Ying Han
2011-04-19  3:57 ` [PATCH V6 03/10] New APIs to adjust per-memcg wmarks Ying Han
2011-04-19  3:57 ` [PATCH V6 04/10] Infrastructure to support per-memcg reclaim Ying Han
2011-04-19  3:57 ` [PATCH V6 05/10] Implement the select_victim_node within memcg Ying Han
2011-04-19  3:57 ` [PATCH V6 06/10] Per-memcg background reclaim Ying Han
2011-04-20  1:03   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-04-20  3:25     ` Ying Han
2011-04-20  4:20     ` Ying Han
2012-03-19  8:14   ` Zhu Yanhai
2012-03-20  5:37     ` Ying Han
2011-04-19  3:57 ` [PATCH V6 07/10] Add per-memcg zone "unreclaimable" Ying Han
2011-04-19  3:57 ` [PATCH V6 08/10] Enable per-memcg background reclaim Ying Han
2011-04-19  3:57 ` [PATCH V6 09/10] Add API to export per-memcg kswapd pid Ying Han
2011-04-20  1:15   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-04-20  3:39     ` Ying Han
2011-04-19  3:57 ` [PATCH V6 10/10] Add some per-memcg stats Ying Han
2011-04-21  2:51 ` [PATCH V6 00/10] memcg: per cgroup background reclaim Johannes Weiner
2011-04-21  3:05   ` Ying Han
2011-04-21  3:53     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-04-21  4:00   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-04-21  4:24     ` Ying Han
2011-04-21  4:46       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki [this message]
2011-04-21  5:08     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-04-21  5:28       ` Ying Han
2011-04-23  1:35         ` Johannes Weiner
2011-04-23  2:10           ` Ying Han
2011-04-23  2:34             ` Johannes Weiner
2011-04-23  3:33               ` Ying Han
2011-04-23  3:41                 ` Rik van Riel
2011-04-23  3:49                   ` Ying Han
2011-04-27  7:36                 ` Johannes Weiner
2011-04-27 17:41                   ` Ying Han
2011-04-27 21:37                     ` Johannes Weiner
2011-04-21  5:41       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-04-21  6:23         ` Ying Han
2011-04-23  2:02         ` Johannes Weiner
2011-04-21  3:40 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-04-21  3:48   ` [PATCH 2/3] weight for memcg background reclaim (Was " KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-04-21  6:11     ` Ying Han
2011-04-21  6:38       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-04-21  6:59         ` Ying Han
2011-04-21  7:01           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-04-21  7:12             ` Ying Han
2011-04-21  3:50   ` [PATCH 3/3/] fix mem_cgroup_watemark_ok " KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-04-21  5:29     ` Ying Han
2011-04-21  4:22   ` Ying Han
2011-04-21  4:27     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-04-21  4:31     ` Ying Han
2011-04-21  3:43 ` [PATCH 1/3] memcg kswapd thread pool (Was " KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-04-21  7:09   ` Ying Han
2011-04-21  7:14     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-04-21  8:10   ` Minchan Kim
2011-04-21  8:46     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2011-04-21  9:05       ` Minchan Kim
2011-04-21 16:56         ` Ying Han
2011-04-22  1:02           ` Minchan Kim

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