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From: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
To: Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>
Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@kernel.dk>, Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 2/7] deactivate invalidated pages
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 09:56:42 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101208095642.8128ab33.kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=iNGT_p_VfW9GxdaKXLt2xBHM2jdwmCbF_u8uh@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 8 Dec 2010 07:51:25 +0900
Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 12:56 AM, Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org> wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 12:26:25AM +0900, Minchan Kim wrote:
> >> On Tue, Dec 07, 2010 at 04:19:39PM +0100, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> >> > On Wed, Dec 08, 2010 at 12:07:10AM +0900, Minchan Kim wrote:
> >> > > On Tue, Dec 07, 2010 at 03:49:24PM +0100, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> >> > > > On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 02:29:10AM +0900, Minchan Kim wrote:
> >> > > > > Changelog since v3:
> >> > > > > A - Change function comments - suggested by Johannes
> >> > > > > A - Change function name - suggested by Johannes
> >> > > > > A - add only dirty/writeback pages to deactive pagevec
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Why the extra check?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > @@ -359,8 +360,16 @@ unsigned long invalidate_mapping_pages(struct address_space *mapping,
> >> > > > > A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  if (lock_failed)
> >> > > > > A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  continue;
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > - A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  ret += invalidate_inode_page(page);
> >> > > > > -
> >> > > > > + A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  ret = invalidate_inode_page(page);
> >> > > > > + A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  /*
> >> > > > > + A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A * If the page is dirty or under writeback, we can not
> >> > > > > + A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A * invalidate it now. A But we assume that attempted
> >> > > > > + A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A * invalidation is a hint that the page is no longer
> >> > > > > + A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A * of interest and try to speed up its reclaim.
> >> > > > > + A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A */
> >> > > > > + A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  if (!ret && (PageDirty(page) || PageWriteback(page)))
> >> > > > > + A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  deactivate_page(page);
> >> > > >
> >> > > > The writeback completion handler does not take the page lock, so you
> >> > > > can still miss pages that finish writeback before this test, no?
> >> > >
> >> > > Yes. but I think it's rare and even though it happens, it's not critical.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Can you explain why you felt the need to add these checks?
> >> > >
> >> > > invalidate_inode_page can return 0 although the pages is !{dirty|writeback}.
> >> > > Look invalidate_complete_page. As easiest example, if the page has buffer and
> >> > > try_to_release_page can't release the buffer, it could return 0.
> >> >
> >> > Ok, but somebody still tried to truncate the page, so why shouldn't we
> >> > try to reclaim it? A The reason for deactivating at this location is
> >> > that truncation is a strong hint for reclaim, not that it failed due
> >> > to dirty/writeback pages.
> >> >
> >> > What's the problem with deactivating pages where try_to_release_page()
> >> > failed?
> >>
> >> If try_to_release_page fails and the such pages stay long time in pagevec,
> >> pagevec drain often happens.
> >
> > You mean because the pagevec becomes full more often? A These are not
> > many pages you get extra without the checks, the race window is very
> > small after all.
> 
> Right.
> It was a totally bad answer. The work in midnight makes my mind to be hurt. :)
> 
> Another point is that we can move such pages(!try_to_release_page,
> someone else holding the ref) into tail of inactive.
> We can't expect such pages will be freed sooner or later and it can
> stir lru pages unnecessary.
> On the other hand it's a _really_ rare so couldn't we move the pages into tail?
> If it can be justified, I will remove the check.
> What do you think about it?
> 

I wonder ...how about adding "victim" list for "Reclaim" pages ? Then, we don't need
extra LRU rotation.

Thanks,
-Kame


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  reply	other threads:[~2010-12-08  1:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-12-05 17:29 [PATCH v4 0/7] f/madivse(DONTNEED) support Minchan Kim
2010-12-05 17:29 ` [PATCH v4 1/7] Fix checkpatch's report in swap.c Minchan Kim
2010-12-06  1:47   ` Rik van Riel
2010-12-07 14:37   ` Johannes Weiner
2010-12-05 17:29 ` [PATCH v4 2/7] deactivate invalidated pages Minchan Kim
2010-12-06 14:53   ` Mel Gorman
2010-12-07 14:49   ` Johannes Weiner
2010-12-07 15:07     ` Minchan Kim
2010-12-07 15:19       ` Johannes Weiner
2010-12-07 15:26         ` Minchan Kim
2010-12-07 15:56           ` Johannes Weiner
2010-12-07 22:51             ` Minchan Kim
2010-12-08  0:56               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki [this message]
2010-12-08  1:43                 ` Minchan Kim
2010-12-08  1:56                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-12-08  2:15                     ` Minchan Kim
2010-12-08  6:56                       ` Balbir Singh
2010-12-09  0:19                         ` Minchan Kim
2010-12-05 17:29 ` [PATCH v4 3/7] move memcg reclaimable page into tail of inactive list Minchan Kim
2010-12-06  0:04   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-12-06  3:04   ` Rik van Riel
2010-12-07  0:17     ` Minchan Kim
2010-12-06  3:34   ` Balbir Singh
2010-12-07  0:20     ` Minchan Kim
2010-12-07 14:52   ` Johannes Weiner
2010-12-08  8:08   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-12-05 17:29 ` [PATCH v4 4/7] Reclaim invalidated page ASAP Minchan Kim
2010-12-07 15:05   ` Johannes Weiner
2010-12-07 15:21     ` Minchan Kim
2010-12-08  8:04   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-12-08  8:16     ` Minchan Kim
2010-12-08 13:01       ` Ben Gamari
2010-12-08 23:10         ` Minchan Kim
2010-12-13 15:31           ` Minchan Kim
2010-12-13 20:06             ` Ben Gamari
2010-12-14  2:36               ` Minchan Kim
2011-07-25  3:08                 ` Ben Gamari
2011-07-25  3:47                   ` Minchan Kim
2010-12-14  2:07             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-12-14  2:34               ` Minchan Kim
2010-12-05 17:29 ` [PATCH v4 5/7] add profile information for invalidated page reclaim Minchan Kim
2010-12-06  3:24   ` Rik van Riel
2010-12-08  8:02   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-12-08  8:13     ` Minchan Kim
2010-12-08  8:36       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-12-05 17:29 ` [PATCH v4 6/7] Remove zap_details NULL dependency Minchan Kim
2010-12-06  3:25   ` Rik van Riel
2010-12-07  4:26   ` Hugh Dickins
2010-12-07  5:30     ` Minchan Kim
2010-12-05 17:29 ` [PATCH v4 7/7] Prevent activation of page in madvise_dontneed Minchan Kim
2010-12-07  4:48   ` Hugh Dickins
2010-12-07  5:44     ` Minchan Kim
2010-12-08  7:26       ` Hugh Dickins
2010-12-08  7:55         ` Minchan Kim
     [not found] ` <AANLkTim71krrCcmhTTCZTzxeUDkvOdBTOkeYQu6EXt32@mail.gmail.com>
2010-12-07  1:52   ` [PATCH v4 0/7] f/madivse(DONTNEED) support Ben Gamari
2010-12-07  2:16     ` Minchan Kim

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