From: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
To: Ben Gamari <bgamari@gmail.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Nick Piggin <npiggin@kernel.dk>
Subject: Re: [RFC 1/2] deactive invalidated pages
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 14:58:56 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101123145856.GQ19571@csn.ul.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87k4k49jii.fsf@gmail.com>
On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 09:55:49AM -0500, Ben Gamari wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 09:38:59 +0000, Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie> wrote:
> > > If it's mapped pagecache then the user was being a bit silly (or didn't
> > > know that some other process had mapped the file). In which case we
> > > need to decide what to do - leave the page alone, deactivate it, or
> > > half-deactivate it as this patch does.
> > >
> >
> > What are the odds of an fadvise() user having used mincore() in advance
> > to determine if the page was in use by another process? I would guess
> > "low" so this half-deactivate gives a chance for the page to be promoted
> > again as well as a chance for the flusher threads to clean the page if
> > it really is to be reclaimed.
> >
> Do we really want to make the user jump through such hoops as using
> mincore() just to get the kernel to handle use-once pages properly?
I would think "no" which is why I support half-deactivating pages so they won't
have to. The downside is that it's essentially a race window as another process
needs to reactivate the page before it gets reclaimed to avoid a major fault.
> I hope the answer is no. I know that fadvise isn't supposed to be a
> magic bullet, but it would be nice if more processes would use it to
> indicate their access patterns and the only way that will happen is if
> it is reasonably straightforward to use.
>
> - Ben
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-11-23 14:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-11-21 14:30 Minchan Kim
2010-11-21 14:30 ` [RFC 2/2] Prevent promotion of page in madvise_dontneed Minchan Kim
2010-11-21 14:38 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-21 16:34 ` Ben Gamari
2010-11-22 0:31 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-22 22:21 ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23 4:57 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 9:50 ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-23 23:49 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-21 15:21 ` [RFC 1/2] deactive invalidated pages Ben Gamari
2010-11-23 7:16 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-11-23 13:48 ` Ben Gamari
2010-11-23 23:48 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 14:49 ` [RFC PATCH] fadvise support in rsync Ben Gamari
2010-11-23 15:35 ` Pádraig Brady
2010-11-24 0:17 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-11-23 14:49 ` [PATCH 1/3] Add fadvise interface wrapper Ben Gamari
2010-11-23 14:49 ` [PATCH 2/3] Inform kernel of FADV_DONTNEED hint in sender Ben Gamari
2010-11-23 14:49 ` [PATCH 3/3] Inform kernel of FADV_DONTNEED hint in receiver Ben Gamari
2010-11-22 1:17 ` [RFC 1/2] deactive invalidated pages Rik van Riel
2010-11-22 22:14 ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23 4:52 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 5:01 ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23 5:23 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 5:22 ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23 5:45 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 5:48 ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23 6:05 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 7:15 ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23 7:44 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 7:53 ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23 8:02 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 9:43 ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-23 23:32 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 9:38 ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-23 14:55 ` Ben Gamari
2010-11-23 14:58 ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2010-11-23 20:35 ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23 22:10 ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-23 23:45 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-24 18:01 ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-23 7:16 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-11-23 7:40 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 7:42 ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-23 8:01 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-11-23 8:44 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 9:02 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-11-23 9:05 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 9:07 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-23 14:57 ` Ben Gamari
2010-11-24 0:13 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-11-23 9:28 ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-23 23:24 ` Minchan Kim
2010-11-24 10:02 ` Mel Gorman
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