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From: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
Cc: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/8] mm: compaction: Perform a faster scan in try_to_compact_pages()
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 11:16:30 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101119111629.GE28613@csn.ul.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101118190839.GF30376@random.random>

On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 08:08:39PM +0100, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 06:50:46PM +0000, Mel Gorman wrote:
> > For THP in general, I think we can abuse __GFP_NO_KSWAPD. For other callers,
> > I'm not sure it's fair to push the responsibility of async/sync to them. We
> > don't do it for reclaim for example and I'd worry the wrong decisions would
> > be made or that they'd always select async for "performance" and then bitch
> > about an allocation failure.
> 
> Ok, let's leave the __GFP and let's stick to the simplest for now
> without alloc_pages caller knowledge.
> 

Ok.

> > My only whinge about the lack of reclaimcompact_zone_order is that it
> > makes it harder to even contemplate lumpy compaction in the future but
> > it could always be reintroduced if absolutely necessary.
> 
> Ok. I don't know the plan of lumpy compaction and that's probably why
> I didn't appreciate it...
> 

You're not a mind-reader :) . What it'd get should be a reduction in
scanning rates but there are other means that should be considered too.

> So my preference as usual would be to remove lumpy. BTW, everything up
> to patch 3 included should work fine with THP and solve my problem
> with lumpy, thanks!
> 

Great. I'd still like to push the rest of the series if it can be shown the
latencies decrease each time. It'll reduce the motivation for introducing
GFP flags to avoid compaction overhead.

> > GFP flags would be my last preference. 
> 
> yep. I'm just probably too paranoid at being lowlatency in the
> hugepage allocation because I know it's the only spot where THP may
> actually introduce a regression for short lived tasks if we do too
> much work to create the hugepage. OTOH even for short lived allocation
> on my westmire a bzero(1g) runs 250% (not 50% faster like in the older
> hardware I was using) faster just thanks to the page being huge and
> I'm talking about super short lived allocation here (the troublesome
> one if we spend too much time in compaction and reclaim before
> failing). Plus it only makes a difference when hugepages are so spread
> across the whole system and it's still doing purely short lived
> allocations. So again let's worry about the GFP flag later if
> something...

Sounds like a plan.

-- 
Mel Gorman
Part-time Phd Student                          Linux Technology Center
University of Limerick                         IBM Dublin Software Lab

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-19 11:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-17 16:22 [PATCH 0/8] Use memory compaction instead of lumpy reclaim during high-order allocations Mel Gorman
2010-11-17 16:22 ` [PATCH 1/8] mm: compaction: Add trace events for memory compaction activity Mel Gorman
2010-11-17 16:22 ` [PATCH 2/8] mm: vmscan: Convert lumpy_mode into a bitmask Mel Gorman
2010-11-17 16:22 ` [PATCH 3/8] mm: vmscan: Reclaim order-0 and use compaction instead of lumpy reclaim Mel Gorman
2010-11-18 18:09   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-11-18 18:30     ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-17 16:22 ` [PATCH 4/8] mm: migration: Allow migration to operate asynchronously and avoid synchronous compaction in the faster path Mel Gorman
2010-11-18 18:21   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-11-18 18:34     ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-18 19:00       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-11-17 16:22 ` [PATCH 5/8] mm: migration: Cleanup migrate_pages API by matching types for offlining and sync Mel Gorman
2010-11-17 16:22 ` [PATCH 6/8] mm: compaction: Perform a faster scan in try_to_compact_pages() Mel Gorman
2010-11-18 18:34   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-11-18 18:50     ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-18 19:08       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-11-19 11:16         ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2010-11-17 16:22 ` [PATCH 7/8] mm: compaction: Use the LRU to get a hint on where compaction should start Mel Gorman
2010-11-18  9:10   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-11-18  9:28     ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-18 18:46   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2010-11-19 11:08     ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-17 16:22 ` [PATCH 8/8] mm: vmscan: Rename lumpy_mode to reclaim_mode Mel Gorman
2010-11-17 23:46 ` [PATCH 0/8] Use memory compaction instead of lumpy reclaim during high-order allocations Andrew Morton
2010-11-18  2:03   ` Rik van Riel
2010-11-18  8:12   ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-18  8:26     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-11-18  8:38       ` Johannes Weiner
2010-11-18  9:20         ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-18 19:49           ` Andrew Morton
2010-11-19 10:48             ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-19 12:43               ` Theodore Tso
2010-11-19 14:05                 ` Mel Gorman
2010-11-19 15:45                   ` Ted Ts'o
2010-11-18  8:44       ` Mel Gorman

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