From: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
To: Nick Piggin <npiggin@kernel.dk>
Cc: kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com, Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Subject: Re: shrinkers: Add node to indicate where to target shrinking
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 09:57:13 +0900 (JST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101025095004.9157.A69D9226@jp.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101024014256.GD3168@amd>
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:32:37AM -0500, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> > On Fri, 22 Oct 2010, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > >
> > > I think making shrinking decision per-zone is fine. But do we need to
> > > duplicate all the lru lists and infrastructure per-zone for that instead
> > > of simply per-zone? Even with per-node lists we can easily skip over
> > > items from the wrong zone.
> > >
> > > Given that we have up to 6 zones per node currently, and we would mostly
> > > use one with a few fallbacks that seems like a lot of overkill.
> >
> > Zones can also cause asymmetry in reclaim if per zone reclaim is done.
> >
> > Look at the following zone setup of a Dell R910:
> >
> > grep "^Node" /proc/zoneinfo
> > Node 0, zone DMA
> > Node 0, zone DMA32
> > Node 0, zone Normal
> > Node 1, zone Normal
> > Node 2, zone Normal
> > Node 3, zone Normal
> >
> > A reclaim that does per zone reclaim (but in reality reclaims all objects
> > in a node (or worse as most shrinkers do today in the whole system) will
> > put 3x the pressure on node 0.
>
> No it doesn't. This is how it works:
>
> node0zoneD has 1% of pagecache for node 0
> node0zoneD32 has 9% of pagecache
> node0zoneN has 90% of pagecache
>
> If there is a memory shortage in all node0 zones, the first zone will
> get 1% of the pagecache scanning pressure, dma32 will get 9% and normal
> will get 90%, for equal pressure on each zone.
>
> In my patch, those numbers will pass through to shrinker for each zone,
> and ask the shrinker to scan and equal proportion of objects in each of
> its zones.
>
> If you have a per node shrinker, you will get asymmetries in pressures
> whenever there is not an equal amount of reclaimable objects in all
> the zones of a node.
Interesting. your explanation itself seems correct. but it inspire me
that there is another issue in both Christoph and your patch.
On ideal 32bit highmem system, memory usage are
DMA: unused
NORMAL: 100% slab, 0% page cache
HIGHMEM: 0% slab, 100% page cache
So, per-zone slab/page-cache shrinker balancing logic don't works on
32bit x86. kswapd should reclaim some objects from normal zone even if
it couldn't reclaim any page cache from normal zone.
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Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-10-21 17:59 vmscan: Do not run shrinkers for zones other than ZONE_NORMAL Christoph Lameter
2010-10-21 18:00 ` shrinkers: Add node to indicate where to target shrinking Christoph Lameter
2010-10-21 18:12 ` Andi Kleen
2010-10-21 20:57 ` David Rientjes
2010-10-21 21:07 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-10-22 13:27 ` Andi Kleen
2010-10-21 23:58 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-22 12:12 ` Andi Kleen
2010-10-22 15:55 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-22 16:32 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-10-24 1:42 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-25 0:57 ` KOSAKI Motohiro [this message]
2010-10-25 14:59 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-11-09 4:03 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-22 16:46 ` Andi Kleen
2010-10-24 1:31 ` Nick Piggin
2010-11-14 2:26 ` Michel Lespinasse
2010-11-14 7:10 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-11-14 11:05 ` Michel Lespinasse
2010-11-15 0:29 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-10-21 18:13 ` vmscan: Do not run shrinkers for zones other than ZONE_NORMAL Andi Kleen
2010-10-21 18:22 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-10-21 18:27 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-10-21 18:33 ` Andi Kleen
2010-10-21 20:48 ` David Rientjes
2010-10-21 20:54 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-10-21 19:40 ` Andrew Morton
2010-10-21 20:03 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-10-21 20:14 ` Andrew Morton
2010-10-21 20:28 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-10-21 20:36 ` Andrew Morton
2010-10-21 20:49 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-10-21 20:59 ` Andrew Morton
2010-10-21 21:13 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-10-21 21:21 ` Andrew Morton
2010-10-21 23:04 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-10-21 23:56 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-22 1:37 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-10-22 14:06 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-10-24 1:37 ` Nick Piggin
2010-10-25 1:22 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-10-25 15:07 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-10-26 2:52 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-10-26 12:42 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-10-26 13:10 ` Christoph Lameter
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