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From: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
To: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>, Shaohua Li <shaohua.li@intel.com>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"cl@linux.com" <cl@linux.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Subject: [RFC][PATCH 0/3] mm: reserve max drift pages at boot time instead using zone_page_state_snapshot()
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 15:25:59 +0900 (JST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101013151723.ADBD.A69D9226@jp.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20101013121913.ADB4.A69D9226@jp.fujitsu.com>

> > @@ -2378,7 +2378,9 @@ static int kswapd(void *p)
> >  				 */
> >  				if (!sleeping_prematurely(pgdat, order, remaining)) {
> >  					trace_mm_vmscan_kswapd_sleep(pgdat->node_id);
> > +					enable_pgdat_percpu_threshold(pgdat);
> >  					schedule();
> > +					disable_pgdat_percpu_threshold(pgdat);
> 
> If we have 4096 cpus, max drift = 125x4096x4096 ~= 2GB. It is higher than zone watermark.
> Then, such sysmtem can makes memory exshost before kswap call disable_pgdat_percpu_threshold().
> 
> Hmmm....
> This seems fundamental problem. current our zone watermark and per-cpu stat threshold have completely
> unbalanced definition.
> 
> zone watermak:             very few (few mega bytes)
>                                        propotional sqrt(mem)
>                                        no propotional nr-cpus
> 
> per-cpu stat threshold:  relatively large (desktop: few mega bytes, server ~50MB, SGI 2GB ;-)
>                                        propotional log(mem)
>                                        propotional log(nr-cpus)
> 
> It mean, much cpus break watermark assumption.....

I've tryied to implement different patch.
The key idea is, max-drift is very small value if the system don't have
>1024CPU.

three model case: 

    Case1: typical desktop
      CPU: 2
      MEM: 2GB
      max-drift = 2 x log2(2) x log2(2x1024/128) x 2 = 40 pages

    Case2: relatively large server
      CPU: 64
      MEM: 8GBx4 (=32GB)
      max-drift = 2 x log2(64) x log2(8x1024/128) x 64 = 6272 pages = 24.5MB

    Case3: ultimately big server
      CPU: 2048
      MEM: 64GBx256 (=16TB)
      max-drift = 125 x 2048 = 256000 pages = 1000MB


So, I think we can accept 20MB memory waste for good performance. but can't
accept 1000MB waste ;-)
Fortunatelly, >1000CPU machine are always used for HPC in nowadays. then,
zone_page_state_snapshot() overhead isn't so big matter on it.

So, My idea is,

Case1 and Case2: reserve max-drift pages at first.
Case3:           using zone_page_state_snapshot()




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  reply	other threads:[~2010-10-13  6:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-28  5:08 zone state overhead Shaohua Li
2010-09-28 12:39 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-28 13:30   ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-28 13:40     ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-28 13:51       ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-28 14:08         ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-29  3:02           ` Shaohua Li
2010-09-29  4:02     ` David Rientjes
2010-09-29  4:47       ` Shaohua Li
2010-09-29  5:06         ` David Rientjes
2010-09-29 10:03       ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-29 14:12         ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-29 14:17           ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-29 14:34             ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-29 14:41               ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-29 14:45                 ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-29 14:54                   ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-29 14:52                 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-09-29 19:44         ` David Rientjes
2010-10-08 15:29 ` Mel Gorman
2010-10-09  0:58   ` Shaohua Li
2010-10-11  8:56     ` Mel Gorman
2010-10-12  1:05       ` Shaohua Li
2010-10-12 16:25         ` Mel Gorman
2010-10-13  2:41           ` Shaohua Li
2010-10-13 12:09             ` Mel Gorman
2010-10-13  3:36           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-10-13  6:25             ` KOSAKI Motohiro [this message]
2010-10-13  6:27               ` [RFC][PATCH 1/3] mm, mem-hotplug: recalculate lowmem_reserve when memory hotplug occur KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-10-13  6:39                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-10-13 12:59                 ` Mel Gorman
2010-10-14  2:44                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-10-13  6:28               ` [RFC][PATCH 2/3] mm: update pcp->stat_threshold " KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-10-13  6:40                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-10-13 13:02                 ` Mel Gorman
2010-10-13  6:32               ` [RFC][PATCH 3/3] mm: reserve max drift pages at boot time instead using zone_page_state_snapshot() KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-10-13 13:19                 ` Mel Gorman
2010-10-14  2:39                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-10-18 10:43                     ` Mel Gorman
2010-10-13  7:10               ` [experimental][PATCH] mm,vmstat: per cpu stat flush too when per cpu page cache flushed KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-10-13  7:16                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-10-13 13:22                 ` Mel Gorman
2010-10-14  2:50                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-10-15 17:31                     ` Christoph Lameter
2010-10-18  9:27                       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-10-18 15:44                         ` Christoph Lameter
2010-10-19  1:10                           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-10-18 11:08                     ` Mel Gorman
2010-10-19  1:34                       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-10-19  9:06                         ` Mel Gorman
2010-10-18 15:51                 ` Christoph Lameter
2010-10-19  0:43                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-10-13 11:24             ` zone state overhead Mel Gorman
2010-10-14  3:07               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-10-18 10:39                 ` Mel Gorman
2010-10-19  1:16                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-10-19  9:08                     ` Mel Gorman
2010-10-22 14:12                       ` Mel Gorman
2010-10-22 15:23                         ` Christoph Lameter
2010-10-22 18:45                           ` Mel Gorman
2010-10-22 15:27                         ` Christoph Lameter
2010-10-22 18:46                           ` Mel Gorman
2010-10-22 20:01                             ` Christoph Lameter
2010-10-25  4:46                         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-10-27  8:19                           ` Mel Gorman

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