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From: Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Nikanth Karthikesan <knikanth@suse.de>,
	Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
	Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] Per file dirty limit throttling
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 19:38:56 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100818140856.GE28417@balbir.in.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1282125536.1926.3675.camel@laptop>

* Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> [2010-08-18 11:58:56]:

> On Wed, 2010-08-18 at 14:52 +0530, Nikanth Karthikesan wrote:
> > On Tuesday 17 August 2010 13:54:35 Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 10:39 +0530, Nikanth Karthikesan wrote:
> > > > Oh, nice.  Per-task limit is an elegant solution, which should help
> > > > during most of the common cases.
> > > >
> > > > But I just wonder what happens, when
> > > > 1. The dirtier is multiple co-operating processes
> > > > 2. Some app like a shell script, that repeatedly calls dd with seek and
> > > > skip? People do this for data deduplication, sparse skipping etc..
> > > > 3. The app dies and comes back again. Like a VM that is rebooted, and
> > > > continues writing to a disk backed by a file on the host.
> > > >
> > > > Do you think, in those cases this might still be useful?
> > > 
> > > Those cases do indeed defeat the current per-task-limit, however I think
> > > the solution to that is to limit the amount of writeback done by each
> > > blocked process.
> > > 
> > 
> > Blocked on what? Sorry, I do not understand.
> 
> balance_dirty_pages(), by limiting the work done there (or actually, the
> amount of page writeback completions you wait for -- starting IO isn't
> that expensive), you can also affect the time it takes, and therefore
> influence the impact.
>

There is an ongoing effort to look at per-cgroup dirty limits and I
honestly think it would be nice to do it at that level first. We need
it there as a part of the overall I/O controller. As a specialized
need it could handle your case as well. 

-- 
	Three Cheers,
	Balbir

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-08-18 14:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-16  4:19 Nikanth Karthikesan
2010-08-16 11:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-17  5:09   ` Nikanth Karthikesan
2010-08-17  8:24     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-18  9:22       ` Nikanth Karthikesan
2010-08-18  9:58         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-18 14:08           ` Balbir Singh [this message]
2010-08-18 14:25             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-08-18 14:48               ` Balbir Singh
2010-08-23 12:19           ` Nikanth Karthikesan
2010-08-16 16:53 ` Bill Davidsen
2010-08-17  2:53   ` Wu Fengguang
2010-08-17  2:41 ` Wu Fengguang

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