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From: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Balbir Singh <balbir@in.ibm.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [patch -mm 1/2] oom: badness heuristic rewrite
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 13:32:55 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100803133255.deb5c208.kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1008022117200.4146@chino.kir.corp.google.com>

On Mon, 2 Aug 2010 21:20:40 -0700 (PDT)
David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 3 Aug 2010, KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki wrote:
> 
> > > Yes, but this is what oom_score_adj is intended to do: an oom_score_adj of 
> > > 300 means task A should be penalized 30% of available memory.  A positive 
> > > oom_score_adj typically means "all other competing tasks should be allowed 
> > > 30% more memory, cumulatively, compared to this task."  Task A uses ~10% 
> > > of available memory and task B uses 50% of available memory.  That's a 40% 
> > > difference, which is greater than task A's penalization of 30%, so B is 
> > > killed.
> > >
> > 
> > This will confuse LXC(Linux Container) guys. oom_score is unusable anymore.
> > 
> 
> From Documentation/filesystems/proc.txt in 2.6.35:
> 
> 	3.2 /proc/<pid>/oom_score - Display current oom-killer score
> 	-------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 	This file can be used to check the current score used by the 
> 	oom-killer is for any given <pid>. Use it together with 
> 	/proc/<pid>/oom_adj to tune which process should be killed in an 
> 	out-of-memory situation.
> 
> That is unchanged with the rewrite.  /proc/pid/oom_score still exports the 
> badness() score used by the oom killer to determine which task to kill: 
> the highest score will be killed amongst candidate tasks.  The fact that 
> the score can be influenced by cpuset, memcg, or mempolicy constraint is 
> irrelevant, we cannot assume anything about the badness() heuristic's 
> implementation from the score itself.
> 

In old behavior, oom_score order is synchronous both in the system and
container. High-score one will be killed.
IOW, oom_score have worked as oom_score.

But, after the patch,  the user (of LXC at el.) can't trust oom_score. 
Especially with memcg, it just shows a _broken_ value.

And user has to caluculate oom_score by himself as

real_oom_score = (oom_score - oom_score_adj) *
	system_memory/container_memory + oom_score_adj.

I'm wrong ? Anyway, I think you should take care of this issue.
Maybe this breaks google's oom-killer+cpuset system.

Thanks,
-Kame

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  reply	other threads:[~2010-08-03  4:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-17 19:16 David Rientjes
2010-07-17 19:16 ` [patch -mm 2/2] oom: deprecate oom_adj tunable David Rientjes
2010-07-29 23:08 ` [patch -mm 1/2] oom: badness heuristic rewrite Andrew Morton
2010-07-30  0:12   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-07-30  1:38     ` Andrew Morton
2010-07-30 11:02       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-07-30 20:14         ` David Rientjes
2010-08-02 20:43         ` Andrew Morton
2010-08-03  0:00           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-08-03  0:27             ` David Rientjes
2010-08-03  0:36               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-08-03  1:02                 ` David Rientjes
2010-08-03  1:08                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-08-03  1:24                     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-08-03  1:52                       ` David Rientjes
2010-08-03  2:05                         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-08-03  3:05                           ` David Rientjes
2010-08-03  3:11                             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-08-03  4:20                               ` David Rientjes
2010-08-03  4:32                                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki [this message]
2010-08-03  7:23                                   ` David Rientjes
2010-08-03  7:21                                     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-08-03  7:27                                       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-08-03 20:43                                         ` David Rientjes
2010-08-03  1:50                     ` David Rientjes
2010-08-03  1:50                       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-08-03  6:00           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-08-03  7:16             ` David Rientjes

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