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From: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Cc: kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Lubos Lunak <l.lunak@suse.cz>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [patch 5/7 -mm] oom: replace sysctls with quick mode
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:25:36 +0900 (JST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100216141539.72EF.A69D9226@jp.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1002151411530.26927@chino.kir.corp.google.com>

> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
> 
> > > Two VM sysctls, oom dump_tasks and oom_kill_allocating_task, were
> > > implemented for very large systems to avoid excessively long tasklist
> > > scans.  The former suppresses helpful diagnostic messages that are
> > > emitted for each thread group leader that are candidates for oom kill
> > > including their pid, uid, vm size, rss, oom_adj value, and name; this
> > > information is very helpful to users in understanding why a particular
> > > task was chosen for kill over others.  The latter simply kills current,
> > > the task triggering the oom condition, instead of iterating through the
> > > tasklist looking for the worst offender.
> > > 
> > > Both of these sysctls are combined into one for use on the aforementioned
> > > large systems: oom_kill_quick.  This disables the now-default
> > > oom_dump_tasks and kills current whenever the oom killer is called.
> > > 
> > > The oom killer rewrite is the perfect opportunity to combine both sysctls
> > > into one instead of carrying around the others for years to come for
> > > nothing else than legacy purposes.
> > 
> > "_quick" is always bad sysctl name.
> 
> Why?  It does exactly what it says: it kills current without doing an 
> expensive tasklist scan and suppresses the possibly long tasklist dump.  
> That's the oom killer's "quick mode."

Because, an administrator think "_quick" implies "please use it always".
plus, "quick" doesn't describe clealy meanings. oom_dump_tasks does.



> > instead, turnning oom_dump_tasks on
> > by default is better.
> > 
> 
> It's now on by default and can be disabled by enabling oom_kill_quick.
> 
> > plus, this patch makes unnecessary compatibility issue.
> > 
> 
> It's the perfect opportunity when totally rewriting the oom killer to 
> combine two sysctls with the exact same users into one.  Users will notice 
> that the tasklist is always dumped now (we're defaulting oom_dump_tasks 
> to be enabled), so there is no reason why we can't remove oom_dump_tasks, 
> we're just giving them a new way to disable it.  oom_kill_allocating_task 
> no longer always means what it once did: with the mempolicy-constrained 
> oom rewrite, we now iterate the tasklist for such cases to kill a task.  
> So users need to reassess whether this should be set if all tasks on the 
> system are constrained by mempolicies, a typical configuration for 
> extremely large systems.  

No.
Your explanation doesn't answer why this change don't cause any comatibility
issue to _all_ user. Merely "opportunity" doesn't allow we ignore real world user.
I had made some incompatibility patch too, but all one have unavoidable reason. 



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  reply	other threads:[~2010-02-16  5:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-02-10 16:32 [patch 0/7 -mm] oom killer rewrite David Rientjes
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 1/7 -mm] oom: filter tasks not sharing the same cpuset David Rientjes
2010-02-10 17:08   ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-11 23:52   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-15  2:56   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-15 22:06     ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16  4:52       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-16  6:01         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-16  7:03         ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-16  8:49           ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16  9:04             ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-16  9:10               ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16  8:46         ` David Rientjes
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 2/7 -mm] oom: sacrifice child with highest badness score for parent David Rientjes
2010-02-10 20:52   ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-12  0:00   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-12  0:15     ` David Rientjes
2010-02-13  2:49   ` Minchan Kim
2010-02-15  3:08   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 3/7 -mm] oom: select task from tasklist for mempolicy ooms David Rientjes
2010-02-10 22:47   ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-15  5:03   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-15 22:11     ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16  5:15       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-16 21:52         ` David Rientjes
2010-02-17  0:48           ` David Rientjes
2010-02-17  1:13             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 4/7 -mm] oom: badness heuristic rewrite David Rientjes
2010-02-11  4:10   ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-11  9:14     ` David Rientjes
2010-02-11 15:07       ` Nick Bowler
2010-02-11 21:01         ` David Rientjes
2010-02-11 21:43       ` Andrew Morton
2010-02-11 21:51         ` David Rientjes
2010-02-11 22:31           ` Andrew Morton
2010-02-11 22:42             ` David Rientjes
2010-02-11 23:11               ` Andrew Morton
2010-02-11 23:31                 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-11 23:37                   ` Andrew Morton
2010-02-12 13:56       ` Minchan Kim
2010-02-12 21:00         ` David Rientjes
2010-02-13  2:45           ` Minchan Kim
2010-02-15 21:54             ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16 13:14               ` Minchan Kim
2010-02-16 21:41                 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-17  7:41                   ` Minchan Kim
2010-02-17  9:23                     ` David Rientjes
2010-02-17 13:08                       ` Minchan Kim
2010-02-15  8:05   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 5/7 -mm] oom: replace sysctls with quick mode David Rientjes
2010-02-12  0:26   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-12  9:58     ` David Rientjes
2010-02-15  8:09   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-15 22:15     ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16  5:25       ` KOSAKI Motohiro [this message]
2010-02-16  9:04         ` David Rientjes
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 6/7 -mm] oom: avoid oom killer for lowmem allocations David Rientjes
2010-02-11  4:13   ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-11  9:19     ` David Rientjes
2010-02-11 14:08       ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-12  1:28   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-12 10:06     ` David Rientjes
2010-02-15  0:09       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-15 22:01         ` David Rientjes
2010-02-15  8:29   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 7/7 -mm] oom: remove unnecessary code and cleanup David Rientjes
2010-02-12  0:12   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-12  0:21     ` David Rientjes
2010-02-15  8:31       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-15  2:51 ` [patch 0/7 -mm] oom killer rewrite KOSAKI Motohiro

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