From: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Cc: kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Lubos Lunak <l.lunak@suse.cz>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [patch 5/7 -mm] oom: replace sysctls with quick mode
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:25:36 +0900 (JST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100216141539.72EF.A69D9226@jp.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1002151411530.26927@chino.kir.corp.google.com>
> On Mon, 15 Feb 2010, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
>
> > > Two VM sysctls, oom dump_tasks and oom_kill_allocating_task, were
> > > implemented for very large systems to avoid excessively long tasklist
> > > scans. The former suppresses helpful diagnostic messages that are
> > > emitted for each thread group leader that are candidates for oom kill
> > > including their pid, uid, vm size, rss, oom_adj value, and name; this
> > > information is very helpful to users in understanding why a particular
> > > task was chosen for kill over others. The latter simply kills current,
> > > the task triggering the oom condition, instead of iterating through the
> > > tasklist looking for the worst offender.
> > >
> > > Both of these sysctls are combined into one for use on the aforementioned
> > > large systems: oom_kill_quick. This disables the now-default
> > > oom_dump_tasks and kills current whenever the oom killer is called.
> > >
> > > The oom killer rewrite is the perfect opportunity to combine both sysctls
> > > into one instead of carrying around the others for years to come for
> > > nothing else than legacy purposes.
> >
> > "_quick" is always bad sysctl name.
>
> Why? It does exactly what it says: it kills current without doing an
> expensive tasklist scan and suppresses the possibly long tasklist dump.
> That's the oom killer's "quick mode."
Because, an administrator think "_quick" implies "please use it always".
plus, "quick" doesn't describe clealy meanings. oom_dump_tasks does.
> > instead, turnning oom_dump_tasks on
> > by default is better.
> >
>
> It's now on by default and can be disabled by enabling oom_kill_quick.
>
> > plus, this patch makes unnecessary compatibility issue.
> >
>
> It's the perfect opportunity when totally rewriting the oom killer to
> combine two sysctls with the exact same users into one. Users will notice
> that the tasklist is always dumped now (we're defaulting oom_dump_tasks
> to be enabled), so there is no reason why we can't remove oom_dump_tasks,
> we're just giving them a new way to disable it. oom_kill_allocating_task
> no longer always means what it once did: with the mempolicy-constrained
> oom rewrite, we now iterate the tasklist for such cases to kill a task.
> So users need to reassess whether this should be set if all tasks on the
> system are constrained by mempolicies, a typical configuration for
> extremely large systems.
No.
Your explanation doesn't answer why this change don't cause any comatibility
issue to _all_ user. Merely "opportunity" doesn't allow we ignore real world user.
I had made some incompatibility patch too, but all one have unavoidable reason.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-02-16 5:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-02-10 16:32 [patch 0/7 -mm] oom killer rewrite David Rientjes
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 1/7 -mm] oom: filter tasks not sharing the same cpuset David Rientjes
2010-02-10 17:08 ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-11 23:52 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-15 2:56 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-15 22:06 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16 4:52 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-16 6:01 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-16 7:03 ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-16 8:49 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16 9:04 ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-16 9:10 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16 8:46 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 2/7 -mm] oom: sacrifice child with highest badness score for parent David Rientjes
2010-02-10 20:52 ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-12 0:00 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-12 0:15 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-13 2:49 ` Minchan Kim
2010-02-15 3:08 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 3/7 -mm] oom: select task from tasklist for mempolicy ooms David Rientjes
2010-02-10 22:47 ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-15 5:03 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-15 22:11 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16 5:15 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-16 21:52 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-17 0:48 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-17 1:13 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 4/7 -mm] oom: badness heuristic rewrite David Rientjes
2010-02-11 4:10 ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-11 9:14 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-11 15:07 ` Nick Bowler
2010-02-11 21:01 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-11 21:43 ` Andrew Morton
2010-02-11 21:51 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-11 22:31 ` Andrew Morton
2010-02-11 22:42 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-11 23:11 ` Andrew Morton
2010-02-11 23:31 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-11 23:37 ` Andrew Morton
2010-02-12 13:56 ` Minchan Kim
2010-02-12 21:00 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-13 2:45 ` Minchan Kim
2010-02-15 21:54 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16 13:14 ` Minchan Kim
2010-02-16 21:41 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-17 7:41 ` Minchan Kim
2010-02-17 9:23 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-17 13:08 ` Minchan Kim
2010-02-15 8:05 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 5/7 -mm] oom: replace sysctls with quick mode David Rientjes
2010-02-12 0:26 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-12 9:58 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-15 8:09 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-15 22:15 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16 5:25 ` KOSAKI Motohiro [this message]
2010-02-16 9:04 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 6/7 -mm] oom: avoid oom killer for lowmem allocations David Rientjes
2010-02-11 4:13 ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-11 9:19 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-11 14:08 ` Rik van Riel
2010-02-12 1:28 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-12 10:06 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-15 0:09 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-15 22:01 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-15 8:29 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-10 16:32 ` [patch 7/7 -mm] oom: remove unnecessary code and cleanup David Rientjes
2010-02-12 0:12 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-12 0:21 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-15 8:31 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-15 2:51 ` [patch 0/7 -mm] oom killer rewrite KOSAKI Motohiro
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