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From: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Lubos Lunak <l.lunak@suse.cz>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [patch -mm 4/9 v2] oom: remove compulsory panic_on_oom mode
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:23:11 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100216092311.86bceb0c.kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1002151610380.14484@chino.kir.corp.google.com>

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 16:14:22 -0800 (PST)
David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Feb 2010, KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki wrote:
> 
> > > If /proc/sys/vm/panic_on_oom is set to 2, the kernel will panic
> > > regardless of whether the memory allocation is constrained by either a
> > > mempolicy or cpuset.
> > > 
> > > Since mempolicy-constrained out of memory conditions now iterate through
> > > the tasklist and select a task to kill, it is possible to panic the
> > > machine if all tasks sharing the same mempolicy nodes (including those
> > > with default policy, they may allocate anywhere) or cpuset mems have
> > > /proc/pid/oom_adj values of OOM_DISABLE.  This is functionally equivalent
> > > to the compulsory panic_on_oom setting of 2, so the mode is removed.
> > > 
> > > Signed-off-by: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
> > 
> > NACK. In an enviroment which depends on cluster-fail-over, this is useful
> > even if in such situation.
> > 
> 
> You don't understand that the behavior has changed ever since 
> mempolicy-constrained oom conditions are now affected by a compulsory 
> panic_on_oom mode, please see the patch description.  It's absolutely 
> insane for a single sysctl mode to panic the machine anytime a cpuset or 
> mempolicy runs out of memory and is more prone to user error from setting 
> it without fully understanding the ramifications than any use it will ever 
> do.  The kernel already provides a mechanism for doing this, OOM_DISABLE.  
> if you want your cpuset or mempolicy to risk panicking the machine, set 
> all tasks that share its mems or nodes, respectively, to OOM_DISABLE.  
> This is no different from the memory controller being immune to such 
> panic_on_oom conditions, stop believing that it is the only mechanism used 
> in the kernel to do memory isolation.
> 
You don't explain why "we _have to_ remove API which is used"

Thanks,
-Kame



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  reply	other threads:[~2010-02-16  0:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-02-15 22:19 [patch -mm 0/9 v2] oom killer rewrite David Rientjes
2010-02-15 22:20 ` [patch -mm 1/9 v2] oom: filter tasks not sharing the same cpuset David Rientjes
2010-02-16  6:14   ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-15 22:20 ` [patch -mm 2/9 v2] oom: sacrifice child with highest badness score for parent David Rientjes
2010-02-16  6:15   ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-15 22:20 ` [patch -mm 3/9 v2] oom: select task from tasklist for mempolicy ooms David Rientjes
2010-02-23  6:31   ` Balbir Singh
2010-02-23  8:17     ` David Rientjes
2010-02-15 22:20 ` [patch -mm 4/9 v2] oom: remove compulsory panic_on_oom mode David Rientjes
2010-02-16  0:00   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-16  0:14     ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16  0:23       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki [this message]
2010-02-16  9:02         ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16 23:42           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-16 23:54             ` David Rientjes
2010-02-17  0:01               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-17  0:31                 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-17  0:41                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-17  0:54                     ` David Rientjes
2010-02-17  1:03                       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-17  1:58                       ` David Rientjes
2010-02-17  2:13                         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-17  2:23                           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-17  2:37                             ` David Rientjes
2010-02-17  2:28                           ` David Rientjes
2010-02-17  2:34                             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-17  2:58                               ` David Rientjes
2010-02-17  3:21                                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-17  9:11                                   ` David Rientjes
2010-02-17  9:52                                     ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-17 22:04                                       ` David Rientjes
2010-02-22  5:31                               ` Daisuke Nishimura
2010-02-22  6:15                                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-22 11:42                                   ` Daisuke Nishimura
2010-02-22 20:59                                     ` David Rientjes
2010-02-22 23:51                                     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-22 20:55                                   ` David Rientjes
2010-02-17  2:19                         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-16  6:20   ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-16  6:59     ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16  7:20       ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-16  7:53         ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16  8:08           ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-16  8:10             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-16  8:42             ` David Rientjes
2010-02-15 22:20 ` [patch -mm 5/9 v2] oom: badness heuristic rewrite David Rientjes
2010-02-15 22:20 ` [patch -mm 6/9 v2] oom: deprecate oom_adj tunable David Rientjes
2010-02-15 22:28   ` Alan Cox
2010-02-15 22:35     ` David Rientjes
2010-02-15 22:20 ` [patch -mm 7/9 v2] oom: replace sysctls with quick mode David Rientjes
2010-02-16  6:28   ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-16  8:58     ` David Rientjes
2010-02-15 22:20 ` [patch -mm 8/9 v2] oom: avoid oom killer for lowmem allocations David Rientjes
2010-02-15 23:57   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-16  0:10     ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16  0:21       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-16  1:13         ` [patch] mm: add comment about deprecation of __GFP_NOFAIL David Rientjes
2010-02-16  1:26           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-16  7:03             ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16  7:23               ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-16  5:32       ` [patch -mm 8/9 v2] oom: avoid oom killer for lowmem allocations KOSAKI Motohiro
2010-02-16  7:29         ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16  6:44       ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-16  7:41         ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16  7:53           ` Nick Piggin
2010-02-16  8:25             ` David Rientjes
2010-02-16 23:48               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-17  0:03                 ` David Rientjes
2010-02-17  0:03                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2010-02-17  0:21                     ` David Rientjes
2010-02-23 11:24                       ` Balbir Singh
2010-02-23 21:12                         ` David Rientjes
2010-02-15 22:20 ` [patch -mm 9/9 v2] oom: remove unnecessary code and cleanup David Rientjes

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