From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
"akpm@linux-foundation.org" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
minchan.kim@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [mm][RFC][PATCH 0/11] mm accessor updates.
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:12:40 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091218171240.GB1354@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4B2BB52A.7050103@redhat.com>
* Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com> wrote:
> On 12/18/2009 07:17 AM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> >
> >>It is not about naming. The accessors hide the locking mechanism for
> >>mmap_sem. Then you can change the locking in a central place.
> >>
> >>The locking may even become configurable later. Maybe an embedded solution
> >>will want the existing scheme but dual quad socket may want a distributed
> >>reference counter to avoid bouncing cachelines on faults.
> >Hiding the locking is pretty much the worst design decision one can make.
> >
>
> It does allow incremental updates. For example if we go with range locks,
> the accessor turns into a range lock of the entire address space; users can
> be converted one by one to use their true ranges in order of importance.
This has been brought up in favor of say the mmap_sem wrappers in the past
(but also mentioned for other wrappers), but the supposed advantage never
materialized.
In reality updating the locking usage is never a big issue - it's almost
mechanic and the compiler is our friend if we want to change semantics. Hiding
the true nature and the true dependencies of the code, hiding the type of the
lock is a bigger issue.
We've been through this many times in the past within the kernel: many times
when we hid some locking primitive within some clever wrapping scheme the
quality of locking started to deteriorate. In most of the important cases we
got rid of the indirection and went with an existing core kernel locking
primitive which are all well known and have clear semantics and lead to more
maintainable code.
Ingo
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Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-12-16 3:00 KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16 3:01 ` [mm][RFC][PATCH 1/11] mm accessor for replacing mmap_sem KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16 3:02 ` [mm][RFC][PATCH 2/11] mm accessor for kernel core KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16 3:03 ` [mm][RFC][PATCH 3/11] mm accessor for fs KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16 3:04 ` [mm][RFC][PATCH 4/11] mm accessor for kvm KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16 3:05 ` [mm][RFC][PATCH 5/11] mm accessor for tomoyo KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16 3:06 ` [mm][RFC][PATCH 6/11] mm accessor for driver/gpu KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16 3:07 ` [mm][RFC][PATCH 7/11] mm accessor for inifiniband KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16 3:08 ` [mm][RFC][PATCH 8/11] mm accessor for video KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16 3:09 ` [mm][RFC][PATCH 9/11] mm accessor for sgi gru KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16 3:10 ` [mm][RFC][PATCH 10/11] mm accessor for misc drivers KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16 3:11 ` [mm][RFC][PATCH 11/11] mm accessor for x86 KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16 10:11 ` [mm][RFC][PATCH 0/11] mm accessor updates Andi Kleen
2009-12-16 10:13 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16 10:28 ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-16 10:31 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16 10:49 ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-16 11:12 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16 11:31 ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-16 16:27 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-12-16 23:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-17 4:11 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-12-17 8:41 ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-16 22:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-17 8:40 ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-17 8:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-17 8:54 ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-17 14:45 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-17 15:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-17 17:53 ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-17 19:08 ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-12-17 19:55 ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-17 19:56 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-12-17 20:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-17 20:42 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-12-18 5:17 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-18 17:00 ` Avi Kivity
2009-12-18 17:12 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2009-12-18 18:12 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-12-18 18:43 ` Andi Kleen
2009-12-18 18:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-12-18 23:18 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-17 19:33 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-12-17 20:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-17 20:13 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-12-17 20:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-12-16 10:31 ` Minchan Kim
2009-12-16 10:33 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-18 0:38 ` [RFC 0/4] speculative page fault (Was " KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-18 0:41 ` [RFC 1/4] uninline mm accessor KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-18 0:43 ` [RFC 2/4] add mm event counter KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-19 3:23 ` Minchan Kim
2009-12-19 6:37 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-18 0:45 ` [RFC 3/4] lockless vma caching KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-19 3:43 ` Minchan Kim
2009-12-19 6:44 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-18 0:46 ` [RFC 4/4] speculative pag fault KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-18 5:54 ` Minchan Kim
2009-12-18 6:06 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-18 6:33 ` Minchan Kim
2009-12-19 3:55 ` Minchan Kim
2009-12-19 6:49 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-12-16 16:24 ` [mm][RFC][PATCH 0/11] mm accessor updates Christoph Lameter
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