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From: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
To: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
Cc: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hugh.dickins@tiscali.co.uk>,
	vedran.furac@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] oom_kill: use rss value instead of vm size for badness
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 09:44:37 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091204094437.4a9ab001.kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0912031514150.8928@chino.kir.corp.google.com>

On Thu, 3 Dec 2009 15:25:05 -0800 (PST)
David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com> wrote:

> If Andrew pushes the patch to change the baseline to rss 
> (oom_kill-use-rss-instead-of-vm-size-for-badness.patch) to Linus, I'll 
> strongly nack it because you totally lack the ability to identify memory 
> leakers as defined by userspace which should be the prime target for the 
> oom killer.  You have not addressed that problem, you've merely talked 
> around it, and yet the patch unbelievably still sits in -mm.
>
It's still cook-time about oom-kill patches and I'll ask Andrew not to send
it when he asks in mm-merge plan. At least, per-mm swap counter and lowmem-rss
counter is necessary. I'll rewrite fork-bomb detector, too.

Repeatedly saying, calculating badness from vm_size _only_ is bad.
I'm not sure how google's magical applications works, but in general,
vm_size doesn't means private memory usage i.e. how well oom-killer can free
pages.
And current oom-killer kills wrong process. Please share your idea to making
oom-killer better rather than just saying "don't do that".

Do you have good algorithm for detecting memory-leaking process in user land ?
I think I added some in my old set but it's not enough.
I'll add more statistics to mm_struct to do better work.

BTW, I hate oom_adj very much. It's nature of "shift" is hard to understand.
I wonder why static oom priority or oom_threshold was not implemented...

Thanks,
-Kame 

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  reply	other threads:[~2009-12-04  0:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-10-28  8:58 KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-28  9:15 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-28 11:04   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-29  1:00     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-29  2:31       ` Minchan Kim
2009-10-29  8:31       ` David Rientjes
2009-10-29  8:46         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-29  9:01           ` David Rientjes
2009-10-29  9:16             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-29  9:44               ` David Rientjes
2009-10-29 23:41                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-11-01 13:29         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-02 10:42           ` David Rientjes
2009-11-02 12:35             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-02 19:55               ` Vedran Furač
2009-11-03 23:09                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-07 19:16                   ` Vedran Furač
2009-11-25 12:44         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-11-25 21:39           ` David Rientjes
2009-11-27 18:26             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-11-30 23:09               ` David Rientjes
2009-12-01  4:43                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-12-01 22:20                   ` David Rientjes
2009-12-02  0:35                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-12-03 23:25                       ` David Rientjes
2009-12-04  0:44                         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki [this message]
2009-11-26  0:10           ` Vedran Furač
2009-11-26  1:32             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-11-27  1:56               ` Vedran Furač

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