From: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
To: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
Cc: kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com,
Corrado Zoccolo <czoccolo@gmail.com>,
Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Frans Pop <elendil@planet.nl>, Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>,
Sven Geggus <lists@fuchsschwanzdomain.de>,
Karol Lewandowski <karol.k.lewandowski@gmail.com>,
Tobias Oetiker <tobi@oetiker.ch>,
Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>,
Stephan von Krawczynski <skraw@ithnet.com>,
"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH-RFC] cfq: Disable low_latency by default for 2.6.32
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:18:18 +0900 (JST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091130190711.5BFF.A69D9226@jp.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091127121627.GL13095@csn.ul.ie>
> On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 02:58:26PM +0900, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
> > > > <SNIP>
> > > > low_latency was tested on other scenarios:
> > > > http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0910.0/01410.html
> > > > http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Kernel/2009-11/msg04855.html
> > > > where it improved actual and perceived performance, so disabling it
> > > > completely may not be good.
> > > >
> > >
> > > It may not indeed.
> > >
> > > In case you mean a partial disabling of cfq_latency, I'm try the
> > > following patch. The intention is to disable the low_latency logic if
> > > kswapd is at work and presumably needs clean pages. Alternative
> > > suggestions welcome.
> >
> > I like treat vmscan writeout as special. because
> > - vmscan use various process context. but it doesn't write own process's page.
> > IOW, it doesn't so match cfq's io fairness logic.
> > - plus, the above mean vmscan writeout doesn't need good i/o latency.
>
> While it might not need good latency as such, it does need pages to be
> clean because direct reclaim has trouble cleaning pages in its own
> behalf.
Well.
if direct reclaim need lumpy reclaim, you are right.
In no lupy case, vmscan start pageout and move the page list tail typically.
cleaned page will be used by another task.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
static unsigned long shrink_page_list(struct list_head *page_list,
struct list_head *freed_pages_list,
struct scan_control *sc,
enum pageout_io sync_writeback)
{
(snip)
switch (pageout(page, mapping, sync_writeback)) {
case PAGE_KEEP:
goto keep_locked;
case PAGE_ACTIVATE:
goto activate_locked;
case PAGE_SUCCESS:
if (PageWriteback(page) || PageDirty(page))
goto keep; /////// HERE
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > - vmscan maintain page granularity lru list. It mean vmscan makes awful
> > seekful I/O. it assume block-layer buffered much i/o request.
> > - plus, the above mena vmscan. writeout need good io throughput. otherwise
> > system might cause hangup.
> >
> > However, I don't think kswapd_awake is good choice. because
> > - zone reclaim run before kswapd wakeup. iow, this patch doesn't solve hpc machine.
> > btw, some Core i7 box (at least, Intel's reference box) also use zone reclaim.
>
> Good point.
>
> > - On large (many memory node) machine, one of much kswapd always run.
> >
>
> Also true.
>
> >
> > Instead, PF_MEMALLOC is good idea?
>
> It doesn't work out either because a process with PF_MEMALLOC is in
> direct reclaim and like kswapd, it may not be able to clean the pages at
> all, let alone in a small period of time.
please forget this idea ;)
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-11-30 10:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-11-26 12:19 Mel Gorman
2009-11-26 13:08 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-11-26 13:20 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2009-11-26 13:37 ` Mike Galbraith
2009-11-26 13:56 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-26 13:47 ` Corrado Zoccolo
2009-11-26 14:17 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-26 15:18 ` Corrado Zoccolo
2009-11-27 11:44 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-27 12:03 ` Corrado Zoccolo
2009-11-27 15:58 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-27 18:14 ` Corrado Zoccolo
2009-11-27 18:52 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-29 15:11 ` Corrado Zoccolo
2009-11-30 12:04 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-30 12:54 ` Corrado Zoccolo
2009-11-30 15:48 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-30 17:21 ` Corrado Zoccolo
2009-11-27 5:58 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-27 6:29 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-27 12:16 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-30 10:18 ` KOSAKI Motohiro [this message]
2009-11-27 4:36 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
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