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From: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
To: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Frans Pop <elendil@planet.nl>, Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>,
	Sven Geggus <lists@fuchsschwanzdomain.de>,
	Karol Lewandowski <karol.k.lewandowski@gmail.com>,
	Tobias Oetiker <tobi@oetiker.ch>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>,
	Stephan von Krawczynski <skraw@ithnet.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	Kernel Testers List <kernel-testers@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/5] page allocator: Wait on both sync and async congestion after direct reclaim
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:55:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091113115558.GY8742@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091113142526.33B3.A69D9226@jp.fujitsu.com>

On Fri, Nov 13 2009, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
> (cc to Jens)
> 
> > Testing by Frans Pop indicated that in the 2.6.30..2.6.31 window at least
> > that the commits 373c0a7e 8aa7e847 dramatically increased the number of
> > GFP_ATOMIC failures that were occuring within a wireless driver. Reverting
> > this patch seemed to help a lot even though it was pointed out that the
> > congestion changes were very far away from high-order atomic allocations.
> > 
> > The key to why the revert makes such a big difference is down to timing and
> > how long direct reclaimers wait versus kswapd. With the patch reverted,
> > the congestion_wait() is on the SYNC queue instead of the ASYNC. As a
> > significant part of the workload involved reads, it makes sense that the
> > SYNC list is what was truely congested and with the revert processes were
> > waiting on congestion as expected. Hence, direct reclaimers stalled
> > properly and kswapd was able to do its job with fewer stalls.
> > 
> > This patch aims to fix the congestion_wait() behaviour for SYNC and ASYNC
> > for direct reclaimers. Instead of making the congestion_wait() on the SYNC
> > queue which would only fix a particular type of workload, this patch adds a
> > third type of congestion_wait - BLK_RW_BOTH which first waits on the ASYNC
> > and then the SYNC queue if the timeout has not been reached.  In tests, this
> > counter-intuitively results in kswapd stalling less and freeing up pages
> > resulting in fewer allocation failures and fewer direct-reclaim-orientated
> > stalls.
> 
> Honestly, I don't like this patch. page allocator is not related to
> sync block queue. vmscan doesn't make read operation.
> This patch makes nearly same effect of s/congestion_wait/io_schedule_timeout/.
> 
> Please don't make mysterious heuristic code.
> 
> 
> Sidenode: I doubt this regression was caused from page allocator.
> Probably we need to confirm caller change....

See the email from Chris from yesterday, he nicely explains why this
change made a difference with dm-crypt. dm-crypt needs fixing, not a
hack like this added.

The vm needs to drop congestion hints and usage, not increase it. The
above changelog is mostly hand-wavy nonsense, imho.

-- 
Jens Axboe

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  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-13 11:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-12 19:30 [PATCH 0/5] Reduce GFP_ATOMIC allocation failures, candidate fix V3 Mel Gorman
2009-11-12 19:30 ` [PATCH 1/5] page allocator: Always wake kswapd when restarting an allocation attempt after direct reclaim failed Mel Gorman
2009-11-13  5:23   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-13 13:55     ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-12 19:30 ` [PATCH 2/5] page allocator: Do not allow interrupts to use ALLOC_HARDER Mel Gorman
2009-11-13  5:24   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-13 13:56     ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-12 19:30 ` [PATCH 3/5] page allocator: Wait on both sync and async congestion after direct reclaim Mel Gorman
2009-11-13 11:20   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-13 11:55     ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2009-11-13 12:28       ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-13 13:32         ` Jens Axboe
2009-11-13 13:41           ` Pekka Enberg
2009-11-13 15:22             ` Chris Mason
2009-11-13 14:16           ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-20 14:56           ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-12 19:30 ` [PATCH 4/5] vmscan: Have kswapd sleep for a short interval and double check it should be asleep Mel Gorman
2009-11-13 10:43   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-13 14:13     ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-13 18:00       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-13 18:17         ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-14  9:34           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-14 15:46             ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-17 11:03               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-17 11:44                 ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-17 12:18                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-17 12:25                     ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-18  5:20                       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-17 10:34             ` [PATCH] vmscan: Have kswapd sleep for a short interval and double check it should be asleep fix 1 Mel Gorman
2009-11-18  5:27               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-12 19:30 ` [PATCH 5/5] vmscan: Take order into consideration when deciding if kswapd is in trouble Mel Gorman
2009-11-13  9:54   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-13 13:54     ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-13 14:48       ` Minchan Kim
2009-11-13 18:00       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-13 18:15         ` [PATCH] vmscan: Stop kswapd waiting on congestion when the min watermark is not being met Mel Gorman
2009-11-13 18:26           ` Frans Pop
2009-11-13 18:33           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-13 20:03             ` [PATCH] vmscan: Stop kswapd waiting on congestion when the min watermark is not being met V2 Mel Gorman
2009-11-26 14:45               ` Tobias Oetiker
2009-11-29  7:42                 ` still getting allocation failures (was Re: [PATCH] vmscan: Stop kswapd waiting on congestion when the min watermark is not being met V2) Tobi Oetiker
2009-12-02 11:32                   ` Mel Gorman
2009-12-02 21:30                     ` Tobias Oetiker
2009-12-03 20:26                       ` Corrado Zoccolo
2009-12-14  5:59                         ` Tobias Oetiker
2009-12-14  8:49                           ` Corrado Zoccolo
2009-11-13 18:36           ` [PATCH] vmscan: Stop kswapd waiting on congestion when the min watermark is not being met Rik van Riel
2009-11-13 14:38     ` [PATCH 5/5] vmscan: Take order into consideration when deciding if kswapd is in trouble Minchan Kim
2009-11-13 12:41   ` Minchan Kim
2009-11-13  9:04 ` [PATCH 0/5] Reduce GFP_ATOMIC allocation failures, candidate fix V3 Frans Pop
2009-11-16 17:57   ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-13 12:47 ` Tobias Oetiker
2009-11-13 13:37   ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-15 12:07 ` Karol Lewandowski
2009-11-16  9:52   ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-16 12:08     ` Karol Lewandowski
2009-11-16 14:32       ` Karol Lewandowski

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