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From: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
To: Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	npiggin@suse.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	"hugh.dickins@tiscali.co.uk" <hugh.dickins@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Subject: [RFC MM] mmap_sem scaling: Use mutex and percpu counter instead
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:39:46 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091106073946.GV31511@one.firstfloor.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.0911051558220.7668@V090114053VZO-1>

On Thu, Nov 05, 2009 at 04:03:39PM -0500, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> > For example it will definitely impact the AIM7 multi brk() issue
> > or the mysql allocation case, which are all writer intensive. I assume
> > doing a lot of mmaps/brks in parallel is not that uncommon.
> 
> No its not that common. Page faults are much more common. The AIM7 seems
> to be an artificial case? What does mysql do for allocation? If its brk()

AIM7 is artificial yes, but I suspect similar problems (to a less
extreme degree) are in other workloads.

> related then simply going to larger increases may fix the issue??

For mysql it's mmap through malloc(). There has been some tuning in
glibc for it. But I suspect it's a more general problem that will
still need kernel improvements.

> 
> > My thinking was more that we simply need per VMA locking or
> > some other per larger address range locking. Unfortunately that
> > needs changes in a lot of users that mess with the VMA lists
> > (perhaps really needs some better abstractions for VMA list management
> > first)
> 
> We have range locking through the distribution of the ptl for systems with
> more than 4 processors. One can use that today to lock ranges of the
> address space.

Yes but all the major calls still take mmap_sem, which is not ranged.

-Andi
-- 
ak@linux.intel.com -- Speaking for myself only.

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  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-06  7:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-05 19:19 [RFC MM] Accessors for mm locking Christoph Lameter
2009-11-05 19:20 ` Subject: [RFC MM] mmap_sem scaling: Use mutex and percpu counter instead Christoph Lameter
2009-11-05 20:56   ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-05 21:03     ` Christoph Lameter
2009-11-06  7:39       ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2009-11-06 17:08         ` Christoph Lameter
2009-11-06 17:44           ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-06 17:54             ` Christoph Lameter
2009-11-10  6:21               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-10  9:19                 ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-06 18:53         ` [RFC MM] mmap_sem scaling: only scan cpus used by an mm Christoph Lameter
2009-11-06 19:14           ` Andi Kleen
2009-11-06 19:45             ` Christoph Lameter
2009-11-05 22:05   ` [RFC MM] swap counters Christoph Lameter
2009-11-06  2:54     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-11-06 15:41   ` Subject: [RFC MM] mmap_sem scaling: Use mutex and percpu counter instead Minchan Kim
2009-11-06 17:10     ` Christoph Lameter
2009-11-07  4:19       ` Minchan Kim
2009-11-10 20:20         ` Christoph Lameter
2009-11-05 20:52 ` [RFC MM] Accessors for mm locking Andi Kleen
2009-11-05 20:57   ` Christoph Lameter
2009-11-17  6:42 ` Zhang, Yanmin

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