From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
To: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCHv2 2/5] vmscan: Kill hibernation specific reclaim logic and unify it
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 22:38:13 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200911012238.13083.rjw@sisk.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091102000855.F404.A69D9226@jp.fujitsu.com>
On Sunday 01 November 2009, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
> shrink_all_zone() was introduced by commit d6277db4ab (swsusp: rework
> memory shrinker) for hibernate performance improvement. and sc.swap_cluster_max
> was introduced by commit a06fe4d307 (Speed freeing memory for suspend).
>
> commit a06fe4d307 said
>
> Without the patch:
> Freed 14600 pages in 1749 jiffies = 32.61 MB/s (Anomolous!)
> Freed 88563 pages in 14719 jiffies = 23.50 MB/s
> Freed 205734 pages in 32389 jiffies = 24.81 MB/s
>
> With the patch:
> Freed 68252 pages in 496 jiffies = 537.52 MB/s
> Freed 116464 pages in 569 jiffies = 798.54 MB/s
> Freed 209699 pages in 705 jiffies = 1161.89 MB/s
>
> At that time, their patch was pretty worth. However, Modern Hardware
> trend and recent VM improvement broke its worth. From several reason,
> I think we should remove shrink_all_zones() at all.
>
> detail:
>
> 1) Old days, shrink_zone()'s slowness was mainly caused by stupid io-throttle
> at no i/o congestion.
> but current shrink_zone() is sane, not slow.
>
> 2) shrink_all_zone() try to shrink all pages at a time. but it doesn't works
> fine on numa system.
> example)
> System has 4GB memory and each node have 2GB. and hibernate need 1GB.
>
> optimal)
> steal 500MB from each node.
> shrink_all_zones)
> steal 1GB from node-0.
>
> Oh, Cache balancing logic was broken. ;)
> Unfortunately, Desktop system moved ahead NUMA at nowadays.
> (Side note, if hibernate require 2GB, shrink_all_zones() never success
> on above machine)
>
> 3) if the node has several I/O flighting pages, shrink_all_zones() makes
> pretty bad result.
>
> schenario) hibernate need 1GB
>
> 1) shrink_all_zones() try to reclaim 1GB from Node-0
> 2) but it only reclaimed 990MB
> 3) stupidly, shrink_all_zones() try to reclaim 1GB from Node-1
> 4) it reclaimed 990MB
>
> Oh, well. it reclaimed twice much than required.
> In the other hand, current shrink_zone() has sane baling out logic.
> then, it doesn't make overkill reclaim. then, we lost shrink_zones()'s risk.
>
> 4) SplitLRU VM always keep active/inactive ratio very carefully. inactive list only
> shrinking break its assumption. it makes unnecessary OOM risk. it obviously suboptimal.
>
> Then, This patch changed shrink_all_memory() to only the wrapper function of
> do_try_to_free_pages(). it bring good reviewability and debuggability, and solve
> above problems.
>
> side note: Reclaim logic unificication makes two good side effect.
> - Fix recursive reclaim bug on shrink_all_memory().
> it did forgot to use PF_MEMALLOC. it mean the system be able to stuck into deadlock.
> - Now, shrink_all_memory() got lockdep awareness. it bring good debuggability.
As I said previously, I don't really see a reason to keep shrink_all_memory().
Do you think that removing it will result in performance degradation?
Rafael
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-11-01 21:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-11-01 15:08 [PATCHv2 1/5] vmscan: separate sc.swap_cluster_max and sc.nr_max_reclaim KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-01 15:09 ` [PATCHv2 2/5] vmscan: Kill hibernation specific reclaim logic and unify it KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-01 15:12 ` Rik van Riel
2009-11-01 21:38 ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2009-11-02 15:35 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-02 19:03 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-11-03 14:00 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-03 21:51 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-11-01 22:01 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-11-02 15:35 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-02 19:05 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-11-02 21:19 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-11-03 11:30 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-11-03 21:12 ` Nigel Cunningham
2009-11-03 22:00 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-11-12 12:33 ` using highmem for atomic copy of lowmem was " Pavel Machek
2009-11-12 23:33 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-11-03 14:00 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-03 21:52 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2009-11-01 15:11 ` [PATCHv2 3/5] vmscan: Stop zone_reclaim()'s wrong swap_cluster_max usage KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-01 17:51 ` Rik van Riel
2009-11-02 0:40 ` Minchan Kim
2009-11-01 15:12 ` [PATCHv2 4/5] vmscan: Kill sc.swap_cluster_max KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-01 17:56 ` Rik van Riel
2009-11-02 0:46 ` Minchan Kim
2009-11-01 15:13 ` [PATCHv2 5/5][nit fix] vmscan Make consistent of reclaim bale out between do_try_to_free_page and shrink_zone KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-01 17:58 ` Rik van Riel
2009-11-02 0:48 ` Minchan Kim
2009-11-02 0:35 ` [PATCHv2 1/5] vmscan: separate sc.swap_cluster_max and sc.nr_max_reclaim Minchan Kim
2009-11-02 0:48 ` Minchan Kim
2009-11-02 15:35 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-02 23:34 ` Minchan Kim
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