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From: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
To: Hugh Dickins <hugh.dickins@tiscali.co.uk>
Cc: Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	vedran.furac@gmail.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	rientjes@google.com, aarcange@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] oom_kill: avoid depends on total_vm and use real RSS/swap value for oom_score (Re: Memory overcommit
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:28:54 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091028092854.743a0712.kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0910271821130.11372@sister.anvils>

On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:39:07 +0000 (GMT)
Hugh Dickins <hugh.dickins@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009, KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki wrote:
> > Now, oom-killer's score uses mm->total_vm as its base value.
> > But, in these days, applications like GUI program tend to use
> > much shared libraries and total_vm grows too high even when
> > pages are not fully mapped.
> > 
> > For example, running a program "mmap" which allocates 1 GBbytes of
> > anonymous memory, oom_score top 10 on system will be..
> > 
> >  score  PID     name
> >  89924	3938	mixer_applet2
> >  90210	3942	tomboy
> >  94753	3936	clock-applet
> >  101994	3919	pulseaudio
> >  113525	4028	gnome-terminal
> >  127340	1	init
> >  128177	3871	nautilus
> >  151003	11515	bash
> >  256944	11653	mmap <-----------------use 1G of anon
> >  425561	3829	gnome-session
> > 
> > No one believes gnome-session is more guilty than "mmap".
> > 
> > Instead of total_vm, we should use anon/file/swap usage of a process, I think.
> > This patch adds mm->swap_usage and calculate oom_score based on
> >   anon_rss + file_rss + swap_usage.
> > Considering usual applications, this will be much better information than
> > total_vm. After this patch, the score on my desktop is
> > 
> > score   PID     name
> > 4033	3176	gnome-panel
> > 4077	3113	xinit
> > 4526	3190	python
> > 4820	3161	gnome-settings-
> > 4989	3289	gnome-terminal
> > 7105	3271	tomboy
> > 8427	3177	nautilus
> > 17549	3140	gnome-session
> > 128501	3299	bash
> > 256106	3383	mmap
> > 
> > This order is not bad, I think.
> > 
> > Note: This adss new counter...then new cost is added.
> 
> I've often thought we ought to supply such a swap_usage statistic;
> and show it in /proc/pid/statsomething, presumably VmSwap in
> /proc/pid/status, even an additional field on the end of statm.
> 
Hm, ok. I'll divide this patch into

   - replace total_vm with anon_rss + file_rsss (everyone will agree this.)
   - add swap usage accounting
   - show it via /proc (may need discuss about its style.)
   - use the value at oom calculation (need discuss)

> A slight new cost, yes: doesn't matter at the swapping end, but
> would slightly impact fork and exit - I do hope we can afford it,
> because I think it should have been available all along.
> 
fork()/exit() uses batched counting. Then, we don't see overhead.


> I've not checked your patch in detail; but I do agree that basing
> OOM (physical memory) decisions on total_vm (virtual memory) has
> seemed weird, so it's well worth trying this approach.  Whether swap
> should be included along with rss isn't quite clear to me: I'm not
> saying you're wrong, not at all, just that it's not quite obvious.
> 
yes. It just comes from heuristics. It will need discuss/investigation/theory.


> I've several observations to make about bad OOM kill decisions,
> but it's probably better that I make them in the original
> "Memory overcommit" thread, rather than divert this thread.
> 

Thanks,
-Kame


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-10-28  0:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <20091013120840.a844052d.kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
     [not found]   ` <hb2cfu$r08$2@ger.gmane.org>
     [not found]     ` <20091014135119.e1baa07f.kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
2009-10-20 21:52       ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-26  1:55         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-26 16:16           ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-27  3:22             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-27  6:10               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-27  6:34                 ` Minchan Kim
2009-10-27  6:36                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-27  6:55                     ` Minchan Kim
2009-10-27  7:45                       ` [RFC][PATCH] oom_kill: avoid depends on total_vm and use real RSS/swap value for oom_score (Re: " KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-27  7:56                         ` Minchan Kim
2009-10-27 12:38                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-10-28  0:22                             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-28  0:45                               ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-27  7:56                         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-27  8:14                           ` Minchan Kim
2009-10-27  8:33                             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-27  8:52                               ` Minchan Kim
2009-10-27  8:56                                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-27 17:41                         ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-28  0:13                           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-27 18:39                         ` Hugh Dickins
2009-10-27 18:47                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-10-28  0:32                             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-11-05 19:02                             ` Pavel Machek
2009-10-28  0:28                           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki [this message]
2009-10-27  6:46                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-27  6:56                     ` Minchan Kim
2009-10-27 17:12               ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-27 18:02                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-27 18:30                   ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-27 20:44               ` Hugh Dickins
2009-10-27 21:04                 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-28  0:08                   ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-28  0:25                     ` David Rientjes
2009-10-28  0:39                       ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-28  4:08                         ` David Rientjes
2009-10-28  4:55                           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-28  5:13                             ` David Rientjes
2009-10-28  6:05                               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-28  6:17                                 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-28  6:20                                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-29  8:38                                     ` David Rientjes
2009-10-29 11:11                                       ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-29 19:53                                         ` David Rientjes
2009-10-29 23:48                                           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-30  9:10                                             ` David Rientjes
2009-10-30  9:36                                               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-11-03 20:49                                                 ` David Rientjes
2009-11-04  0:50                                                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-11-04  1:58                                                     ` David Rientjes
2009-11-04  2:17                                                       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-11-04  3:10                                                         ` David Rientjes
2009-11-04  3:19                                                           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-30 13:59                                           ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-30 19:24                                             ` David Rientjes
2009-11-02 19:58                                               ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-28 13:28                           ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-28 20:10                             ` David Rientjes
2009-10-29  3:05                               ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-29  8:35                                 ` David Rientjes
2009-10-29 11:01                                   ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-29 19:42                                     ` David Rientjes
2009-10-30 13:53                                       ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-30 14:08                                         ` Thomas Fjellstrom
2009-10-30 15:13                                           ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-30 14:12                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-10-30 14:41                                           ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-30 15:15                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-10-30 16:24                                               ` Hugh Dickins
2009-11-02 19:56                                               ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-30 19:44                                         ` David Rientjes
2009-11-02 19:56                                           ` Vedran Furač
2009-10-28  0:43                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-28  2:47                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-10-28  3:17                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-10-28  4:12                   ` David Rientjes
2009-10-28  8:10                     ` Hugh Dickins

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