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From: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	npiggin@suse.de,
	"hugh.dickins@tiscali.co.uk" <hugh.dickins@tiscali.co.uk>,
	avi@redhat.com,
	"akpm@linux-foundation.org" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 3/4] get_user_pages READ fault handling special cases
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 09:03:44 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090708090344.aa54a008.kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.01.0907070931340.3210@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:50:19 -0700 (PDT)
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> 
> 
> On Tue, 7 Jul 2009, KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki wrote:
> >
> > Now, get_user_pages(READ) can return ZERO_PAGE but it creates some trouble.
> > This patch is a workaround for each callers.
> >  - mlock() ....ignore ZERO_PAGE if found. This happens only when mlock against
> > 		read-only mapping finds zero pages.
> >  - futex() ....if ZERO PAGE is found....BUG ?(but possible...)
> >  - lookup_node() .... no good idea..this is the same behavior to 2.6.23 age.
> 
> Gaah. None of these special cases seem at all valid.
> 
ya, this patch is for hearing how-to.

> I _like_ ZERO_PAGE(), but I always liked it mainly with the whole 
> "PAGE_RESERVED" flag.
> 
ok.

> And I think that if we resurrect zero-page, then we should do it with the 
> modern equivalent of PAGE_RESERVED, namely the "pte_special()" bit. 
> Anybody who walks page tables had better already handle special PTE 
> entries (or we could trivially extend them - in case they currently just 
> look at the vm_flags and decide that the range can have no special pages).
> 
Hm, ok. I'll remove pte_zero and use pte_special instead of it.

> So I'd suggest instead:
> 
>  - always mark the zero page with PTE_SPECIAL. This avoids the constant 
>    page count updates - that's what PTE_SPECIAL means, after all.
> 
>    The page count updates was what killed ZERO_PAGE. It's wonderful for 
>    cache behaviour _other_ than the ping-pong of having to modify the 
>    "struct page".
> 
yes.

>  - for architectures that don't have the PTE_SPECIAL bit in the page 
>    tables, we don't do the magic zero page at all.
> 
ok.

>  - for architectures that have virtual caches and cannot handle a single 
>    zero page well (eg the mess we had with MIPS and muliple zero-pages), 
>    also simply don't do it, at least not initially.
> 
ok. will add config check in do_anonymous_page as

#ifdef CONIFG_ARCH_USE_ZEROPAGE
static int do_zeromap_anon_private()
{
	......
}
#else
static int do_zeromap_anon_private()
{
	return false;
}
#endif



>  - for the rest, depend on pte_special().
> 
sure.

>  - pass down the fault flags to "vm_normal_page()", and let one of the 
>    bits in there say "I want the zero-page". That way "get_user_pages()" 
>    can just treat the zero page as a normal page (it's read-only, of 
>    course, but we check the page tables, so that's ok). We'd increment the 
>    page count there, but nowhere else (we _need_ to increment the zero 
>    page count there, since it will be decremented at free time, and we've 
>    lost the page table entry that says that the "struct page *" is 
>    special).
> 
ok. not far from this patch series except for pte_zero() v.s. pte_special().

> With something like the above, there really shouldn't be a lot of 
> special-case code. None of these games with mlock etc. Nothing should 
> _ever_ need to test "is_zero_page()", because the only thing that does so 
> is vm_normal_page() - and if that one returns the "struct page *", then 
> it's going to be considered a normal page, nothing special.
> 
> That's how the _original_ ZERO_PAGE worked. It had pretty much no special 
> case logic. It was basically treated as an IO page from an allocation 
> standpoint, thanks to the PG_Reserved bit, but other than that nobody 
> really cared.
> 
About above 3 cases
 - mlock() case .... yes, pte_special/PG_reserved will work well.
 - mempolicy case ... This was broken even in original ZERO_PAGE, I think.
                      I ignore this for now.
 - futex case   .... my mistake. I missed that I should handle
                     VM_SHARED|VM_MAYSHARE(i.e. not private) case and avoid
                     ZERO_PAGE for such vmas. I'll remove this.

By using pte_special(), the whole patch size will be reduced. let me try v3.

Thanks,
-Kame

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  reply	other threads:[~2009-07-08  0:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-07-07  7:51 [RFC][PATCH 0/4] ZERO PAGE again v2 KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-07-07  7:52 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/4] introduce pte_zero() KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-07-07  7:54 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/4] use ZERO_PAGE for READ fault in regular anonymous mapping KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-07-07  7:59 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/4] get_user_pages READ fault handling special cases KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-07-07 16:50   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-07-08  0:03     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki [this message]
2009-07-08  1:38       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-07-08  2:27         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-07-07  8:01 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/4] add get user pages nozero KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-07-07  8:47 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/4] ZERO PAGE again v2 Nick Piggin
2009-07-07  9:05   ` Avi Kivity
2009-07-07  9:18     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-07-07  9:26       ` Avi Kivity
2009-07-07  9:06   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-07-07 14:00     ` Nick Piggin
2009-07-07 16:59       ` Linus Torvalds
2009-07-08  6:21         ` Nick Piggin
2009-07-08 16:07           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-07-09  7:47             ` Nick Piggin
2009-07-09 17:54               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-07-10  2:09                 ` Nick Piggin
2009-07-10  3:38                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-07-10  3:51                     ` Nick Piggin
2009-07-08 17:32     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-07-09  1:12       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-07-10 11:18       ` Hugh Dickins
2009-07-10 13:42         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-07-10 14:12           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-07-10 15:16             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2009-07-10 15:32               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-07-10 17:09           ` Hugh Dickins
2009-07-13  6:46         ` Nick Piggin
2009-07-13  7:24           ` Nick Piggin

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