From: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
To: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
Cc: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>,
"Zhang, Yanmin" <yanmin.zhang@intel.com>,
"linuxram@us.ibm.com" <linuxram@us.ibm.com>,
linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] Properly account for the number of page cache pages zone_reclaim() can reclaim
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 11:48:10 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090609104809.GQ18380@csn.ul.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090609084550.GB7108@localhost>
On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 04:45:50PM +0800, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 04:27:29PM +0800, Mel Gorman wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 10:25:49AM +0800, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jun 08, 2009 at 09:01:29PM +0800, Mel Gorman wrote:
> > > > On NUMA machines, the administrator can configure zone_relcaim_mode that
> > > > is a more targetted form of direct reclaim. On machines with large NUMA
> > > > distances for example, a zone_reclaim_mode defaults to 1 meaning that clean
> > > > unmapped pages will be reclaimed if the zone watermarks are not being met.
> > > >
> > > > There is a heuristic that determines if the scan is worthwhile but the
> > > > problem is that the heuristic is not being properly applied and is basically
> > > > assuming zone_reclaim_mode is 1 if it is enabled.
> > > >
> > > > This patch makes zone_reclaim() makes a better attempt at working out how
> > > > many pages it might be able to reclaim given the current reclaim_mode. If it
> > > > cannot clean pages, then NR_FILE_DIRTY number of pages are not candidates. If
> > > > it cannot swap, then NR_FILE_MAPPED are not. This indirectly addresses tmpfs
> > > > as those pages tend to be dirty as they are not cleaned by pdflush or sync.
> > >
> > > No, tmpfs pages are not accounted in NR_FILE_DIRTY because of the
> > > BDI_CAP_NO_ACCT_AND_WRITEBACK bits.
> > >
> >
> > Ok, that explains why the dirty page count was not as high as I was
> > expecting. Thanks.
> >
> > > > The ideal would be that the number of tmpfs pages would also be known
> > > > and account for like NR_FILE_MAPPED as swap is required to discard them.
> > > > A means of working this out quickly was not obvious but a comment is added
> > > > noting the problem.
> > >
> > > I'd rather prefer it be accounted separately than to muck up NR_FILE_MAPPED :)
> > >
> >
> > Maybe I used a poor choice of words. What I meant was that the ideal would
> > be we had a separate count for tmpfs pages. As tmpfs pages and mapped pages
> > both have to be unmapped and potentially, they are "like" each other with
> > respect to the zone_reclaim_mode and how it behaves. We would end up
> > with something like
> >
> > pagecache_reclaimable -= zone_page_state(zone, NR_FILE_MAPPED);
> > pagecache_reclaimable -= zone_page_state(zone, NR_FILE_TMPFS);
>
> OK. But tmpfs pages may be mapped, so there will be double counting.
> We must at least make sure pagecache_reclaimable won't get underflowed.
True. What vmscan-change-the-number-of-the-unmapped-files-in-zone-reclaim.patch
does might be better overall.
> (Or make another LRU list for tmpfs pages?)
>
Another LRU won't help the accounting and will changes too significantly
how reclaim works.
> > > > + int pagecache_reclaimable;
> > > > +
> > > > + /*
> > > > + * Work out how many page cache pages we can reclaim in this mode.
> > > > + *
> > > > + * NOTE: Ideally, tmpfs pages would be accounted as if they were
> > > > + * NR_FILE_MAPPED as swap is required to discard those
> > > > + * pages even when they are clean. However, there is no
> > > > + * way of quickly identifying the number of tmpfs pages
> > > > + */
> > >
> > > So can you remove the note on NR_FILE_MAPPED?
> > >
> >
> > Why would I remove the note? I can alter the wording but the intention is
> > to show we cannot count the number of tmpfs pages quickly and it would be
> > nice if we could. Maybe this is clearer?
> >
> > Note: Ideally tmpfs pages would be accounted for as NR_FILE_TMPFS or
> > similar and treated similar to NR_FILE_MAPPED as both require
> > unmapping from page tables and potentially swap to reclaim.
> > However, no such counter exists.
>
> That's better. Thanks.
>
> > > > + pagecache_reclaimable = zone_page_state(zone, NR_FILE_PAGES);
> > > > + if (!(zone_reclaim_mode & RECLAIM_WRITE))
> > > > + pagecache_reclaimable -= zone_page_state(zone, NR_FILE_DIRTY);
> > >
> > > > + if (!(zone_reclaim_mode & RECLAIM_SWAP))
> > > > + pagecache_reclaimable -= zone_page_state(zone, NR_FILE_MAPPED);
> > >
> > > So the "if" can be removed because NR_FILE_MAPPED is not related to swapping?
> > >
> >
> > It's partially related with respect to what zone_reclaim() is doing.
> > Once something is mapped, we need RECLAIM_SWAP set on the
> > zone_reclaim_mode to do anything useful with them.
>
> You are referring to mapped anonymous/tmpfs pages? But I mean
> NR_FILE_MAPPED pages won't goto swap when unmapped.
>
Not all of them. But some of them backed by real files will be discarded
if clean at the next pass
> Thanks,
> Fengguang
>
> > > > /*
> > > > * Zone reclaim reclaims unmapped file backed pages and
> > > > @@ -2391,8 +2406,7 @@ int zone_reclaim(struct zone *zone, gfp_t gfp_mask, unsigned int order)
> > > > * if less than a specified percentage of the zone is used by
> > > > * unmapped file backed pages.
> > > > */
> > > > - if (zone_page_state(zone, NR_FILE_PAGES) -
> > > > - zone_page_state(zone, NR_FILE_MAPPED) <= zone->min_unmapped_pages
> > > > + if (pagecache_reclaimable <= zone->min_unmapped_pages
> > > > && zone_page_state(zone, NR_SLAB_RECLAIMABLE)
> > > > <= zone->min_slab_pages)
> > > > return 0;
> > > > --
> > > > 1.5.6.5
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Mel Gorman
> > Part-time Phd Student Linux Technology Center
> > University of Limerick IBM Dublin Software Lab
>
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Mel Gorman
Part-time Phd Student Linux Technology Center
University of Limerick IBM Dublin Software Lab
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Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-06-08 13:01 [PATCH 0/3] [RFC] Functional fix to zone_reclaim() and bring behaviour more in line with expectations Mel Gorman
2009-06-08 13:01 ` [PATCH 1/3] Reintroduce zone_reclaim_interval for when zone_reclaim() scans and fails to avoid CPU spinning at 100% on NUMA Mel Gorman
2009-06-08 13:31 ` Rik van Riel
2009-06-08 13:54 ` Mel Gorman
2009-06-08 14:33 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-06-08 14:38 ` Mel Gorman
2009-06-08 14:55 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-06-08 15:11 ` Mel Gorman
2009-06-10 5:23 ` Andrew Morton
2009-06-10 6:44 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-06-10 10:00 ` Mel Gorman
2009-06-08 14:48 ` Rik van Riel
2009-06-09 8:08 ` Mel Gorman
2009-06-09 1:58 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-09 8:14 ` Mel Gorman
2009-06-09 8:25 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-09 8:31 ` Mel Gorman
2009-06-09 9:07 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-09 9:40 ` Mel Gorman
2009-06-09 13:38 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-09 15:06 ` Mel Gorman
2009-06-10 2:14 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-10 9:54 ` Mel Gorman
2009-06-09 7:48 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-06-09 8:18 ` Mel Gorman
2009-06-09 8:45 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-06-09 9:42 ` Mel Gorman
2009-06-09 9:45 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-06-09 9:59 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-06-09 10:44 ` Mel Gorman
2009-06-09 10:50 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-06-08 13:01 ` [PATCH 2/3] Properly account for the number of page cache pages zone_reclaim() can reclaim Mel Gorman
2009-06-08 14:25 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-06-08 14:36 ` Mel Gorman
2009-06-09 2:25 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-09 8:27 ` Mel Gorman
2009-06-09 8:45 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-09 10:48 ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2009-06-09 12:08 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-09 8:55 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-06-09 2:37 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-09 8:19 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-06-09 8:47 ` Mel Gorman
2009-06-08 13:01 ` [PATCH 3/3] Do not unconditionally treat zones that fail zone_reclaim() as full Mel Gorman
2009-06-08 14:32 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-06-08 14:43 ` Mel Gorman
2009-06-09 3:11 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-06-09 8:50 ` Mel Gorman
2009-06-09 7:48 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-06-09 9:25 ` Mel Gorman
2009-06-09 12:05 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-06-09 13:28 ` Mel Gorman
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