From: "Larry H." <research@subreption.com>
To: Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
pageexec@freemail.hu,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [patch 0/5] Support for sanitization flag in low-level page allocator
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 00:50:33 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090530075033.GL29711@oblivion.subreption.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <84144f020905300035g1d5461f9n9863d4dcdb6adac0@mail.gmail.com>
On 10:35 Sat 30 May , Pekka Enberg wrote:
> The GFP_SENSITIVE flag looks like a big hammer that we don't really
> need IMHO. It seems to me that most of the actual call-sites (crypto
> code, wireless keys, etc.) should probably just use kzfree()
> unconditionally to make sure we don't leak sensitive data. I did not
> look too closely but I don't think any of the sensitive kfree() calls
> are in fastpaths so the performance impact is negligible.
That's hopeless, and kzfree is broken. Like I said in my earlier reply,
please test that yourself to see the results. Whoever wrote that ignored
how SLAB/SLUB work and if kzfree had been used somewhere in the kernel
before, it should have been noticed long time ago.
It's called disregard when you ditch something in favor of something
else you have assumed to be better, when it isn't. That's not polite.
Furthermore, selective clearing doesn't solve the roots of the problem.
It's just adding bandages to a wound which never stops bleeding. I
proposed an initial page flag because we could use it later for
unconditional page clearing doing a one line change in a header file.
I see a lot of speculation on what works and what doesn't, but
there isn't much on the practical side of things, yet. I provided test
results that proved some of the comments wrong, and I've referenced
literature which shows the reasoning behind all this. What else can I do
to make you understand you are missing the point here?
Larry
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-05-30 7:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-05-20 18:30 Larry H.
2009-05-20 20:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-20 21:24 ` Larry H.
2009-05-21 15:21 ` Robin Holt
2009-05-21 18:43 ` Larry H.
2009-05-29 22:58 ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-30 7:00 ` Larry H.
2009-05-30 7:12 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-30 7:35 ` Larry H.
2009-05-30 7:39 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-21 19:08 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-21 19:26 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-21 19:56 ` Larry H.
2009-05-21 20:47 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-21 21:46 ` Larry H.
2009-05-21 22:47 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-22 11:22 ` Larry H.
2009-05-22 13:37 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-26 19:02 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-21 19:17 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-21 19:30 ` Larry H.
2009-05-22 7:34 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-22 11:38 ` Larry H.
2009-05-22 13:39 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-22 18:03 ` Larry H.
2009-05-22 18:21 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-22 23:25 ` [PATCH] Support for kernel memory sanitization Larry H.
2009-05-22 23:52 ` Randy Dunlap
2009-05-22 23:40 ` [patch 0/5] Support for sanitization flag in low-level page allocator Larry H.
2009-05-23 8:09 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-23 15:56 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-23 18:21 ` [PATCH] Support for unconditional page sanitization Larry H.
2009-05-23 21:05 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-24 10:19 ` pageexec
2009-05-24 16:38 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-28 19:36 ` [patch 0/5] Support for sanitization flag in low-level page allocator Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-29 14:32 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-30 5:48 ` Larry H.
2009-05-30 10:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-30 10:43 ` Larry H.
2009-05-30 11:42 ` pageexec
2009-05-30 13:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-30 13:24 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-30 13:54 ` pageexec
2009-05-30 14:04 ` Larry H.
2009-05-30 14:13 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-30 14:08 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-30 14:30 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-30 14:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-30 14:48 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-30 17:00 ` Larry H.
2009-05-30 17:25 ` Larry H.
2009-05-30 18:32 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-06-05 13:15 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-31 14:38 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-31 15:03 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-22 18:37 ` Nai Xia
2009-05-22 19:18 ` Nai Xia
2009-05-23 12:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-23 22:28 ` Larry H.
2009-05-23 22:42 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-25 1:17 ` [PATCH] Sanitize memory on kfree() and kmem_cache_free() Larry H.
2009-05-27 22:34 ` [patch 0/5] Support for sanitization flag in low-level page allocator Ingo Molnar
2009-05-28 6:27 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-28 7:00 ` Larry H.
2009-05-28 9:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-28 11:50 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-28 19:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-30 7:35 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-30 7:50 ` Larry H. [this message]
2009-05-30 7:53 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-30 8:20 ` Larry H.
2009-05-30 8:33 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-30 15:05 ` Ray Lee
2009-05-30 17:34 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-30 18:03 ` Larry H.
2009-05-30 18:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-30 18:45 ` Larry H.
2009-05-30 19:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-30 20:39 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-30 20:53 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-30 21:33 ` Larry H.
2009-05-30 23:13 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-30 23:18 ` Larry H.
2009-05-31 6:30 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-31 11:49 ` Larry H.
2009-05-31 7:17 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-31 11:58 ` Larry H.
2009-05-31 12:16 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-31 12:30 ` Larry H.
2009-05-31 12:35 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-30 23:10 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-31 6:14 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-31 10:24 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-31 10:24 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-31 12:16 ` Larry H.
2009-05-31 12:19 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-31 16:25 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-30 22:10 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-30 23:15 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-30 20:22 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-30 22:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-30 17:39 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-30 7:57 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-30 9:05 ` Larry H.
2009-05-30 17:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-30 18:09 ` Larry H.
2009-05-30 8:31 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-30 8:35 ` Pekka Enberg
2009-05-30 9:27 ` Larry H.
2009-05-28 18:48 ` pageexec
2009-05-30 17:50 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-28 12:48 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-28 12:55 ` Larry H.
2009-05-28 18:56 pageexec
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