From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Elladan <elladan@eskimo.com>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
Lee Schermerhorn <Lee.Schermerhorn@hp.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"tytso@mit.edu" <tytso@mit.edu>,
"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH -mm] vmscan: make mapped executable pages the first class citizen
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 18:37:56 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090508183756.158aa3c3@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090508034054.GB1202@eskimo.com>
> I don't think this sort of DOS is relevant for a single user or trusted user
> system.
>
> I don't know of any distro that applies default ulimits, so desktops are
A lot of people turn on the vm overcommit protection. In fact if you run
some of the standard desktop apps today its practically essential to deal
with them quietly leaking the box into oblivion or just going mad at
random intervals.
> already susceptible to the far more trivial "call malloc a lot" or "fork bomb"
> attacks. Plus, ulimits don't help, since they only apply per process - you'd
> need a default mem cgroup before this mattered, I think.
We have a system wide one in effect via the vm overcommit stuff and have
had for years. It works, its relevant and even if it didn't "everything
else sucks" isn't an excuse for more suckage but a call for better things.
If you want any kind of tunable user controllable vm priority then the
obvious things to do would be to borrow the nice() values or implement a
vmnice() for VMAs so users can only say "flog me harder".
Not I fear that it matters - until you fix the two problems of obscenely
bloated leaky apps and bad I/O performance its really an "everything
louder than everything else" kind of argument.
Alan
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2009-04-28 5:35 ` Swappiness vs. mmap() and interactive response KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-28 6:36 ` Elladan
2009-04-28 6:52 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-28 7:26 ` Elladan
2009-04-28 7:44 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-28 7:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-04-28 7:58 ` Balbir Singh
2009-04-28 8:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-04-28 8:23 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-04-28 8:25 ` Balbir Singh
2009-04-28 8:03 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-28 9:09 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28 9:26 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-28 12:08 ` Theodore Tso
2009-04-29 5:51 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-29 6:34 ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-29 7:47 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-30 4:14 ` Elladan
2009-04-30 4:43 ` Andrew Morton
2009-04-30 4:55 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-30 4:55 ` Elladan
2009-04-29 7:48 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-30 11:59 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-30 13:46 ` Elladan
2009-05-06 11:04 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-28 15:28 ` Rik van Riel
2009-04-28 23:29 ` [PATCH] vmscan: evict use-once pages first Rik van Riel
2009-04-29 3:36 ` Elladan
2009-04-29 17:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-04-29 6:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-04-29 13:30 ` Rik van Riel
2009-04-29 15:47 ` [PATCH] vmscan: evict use-once pages first (v2) Rik van Riel
2009-04-29 16:07 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-29 16:18 ` Rik van Riel
2009-04-29 17:14 ` [PATCH] vmscan: evict use-once pages first (v3) Rik van Riel
2009-04-30 0:39 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-04-30 8:10 ` Johannes Weiner
2009-05-01 22:32 ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01 23:05 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-01 23:25 ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-03 1:28 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-03 1:15 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-03 1:33 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-03 1:46 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-04-29 16:10 ` [PATCH] vmscan: evict use-once pages first (v2) Peter Zijlstra
2009-04-30 7:20 ` Elladan
2009-04-30 13:08 ` Rik van Riel
2009-04-30 14:00 ` Elladan
2009-05-01 0:45 ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01 0:59 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-01 1:13 ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01 1:50 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-01 2:54 ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01 14:05 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-01 18:04 ` Ray Lee
2009-05-01 19:34 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-01 19:44 ` Ray Lee
2009-05-01 20:08 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-01 20:17 ` Elladan
2009-05-01 19:35 ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01 20:05 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-01 20:45 ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-01 21:46 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-03 3:15 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-03 3:24 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-03 3:43 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-04 10:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-07 12:11 ` [PATCH -mm] vmscan: make mapped executable pages the first class citizen Wu Fengguang
2009-05-07 13:39 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 14:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-07 14:18 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 14:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-07 15:36 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 15:59 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-07 15:06 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-07 16:00 ` Lee Schermerhorn
2009-05-07 16:32 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-07 17:11 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-08 3:40 ` Elladan
2009-05-08 16:04 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-09 4:04 ` Elladan
2009-05-08 17:18 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-09 10:20 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-08 17:37 ` Alan Cox [this message]
2009-05-07 15:10 ` Johannes Weiner
2009-05-07 15:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-07 15:21 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-08 3:30 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-08 4:17 ` [RFC][PATCH] vmscan: report vm_flags in page_referenced() Wu Fengguang
2009-05-08 12:09 ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-08 12:15 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-08 14:01 ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-09 6:56 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-10 23:45 ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-17 11:25 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-07 20:44 ` [PATCH -mm] vmscan: make mapped executable pages the first class citizen Andrew Morton
2009-05-08 8:16 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-08 8:28 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-08 19:58 ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-08 22:00 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-08 22:15 ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-08 22:53 ` Elladan
2009-05-08 22:20 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-10 8:59 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10 9:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-10 9:35 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-10 10:06 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10 9:36 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10 13:45 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-10 13:56 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10 14:51 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-10 14:59 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10 20:13 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-10 20:37 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-10 21:23 ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-11 10:03 ` Johannes Weiner
2009-05-10 21:29 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-10 9:20 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-10 9:29 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10 10:03 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-10 10:15 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10 11:21 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-10 11:39 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10 11:44 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-10 12:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-10 12:39 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-10 13:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-12 2:50 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12 4:35 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12 13:20 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-16 9:26 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12 2:51 ` [PATCH -mm] vmscan: report vm_flags in page_referenced() Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12 6:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-12 6:44 ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-12 11:44 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12 2:52 ` [PATCH -mm] vmscan: make mapped executable pages the first class citizen Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12 3:00 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-12 20:54 ` [PATCH -mm] vmscan: protect a fraction of file backed mapped pages from reclaim Christoph Lameter
2009-05-12 17:06 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-12 21:20 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-12 17:39 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-12 22:02 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-12 20:17 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-12 20:26 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-13 0:45 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-14 20:14 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-14 23:28 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-14 23:42 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-15 18:09 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-16 8:54 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12 8:17 ` [PATCH -mm] vmscan: make mapped executable pages the first class citizen Minchan Kim
2009-05-12 2:53 ` [PATCH -mm] vmscan: merge duplicate code in shrink_active_list() Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12 2:58 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-12 3:03 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12 7:26 ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-12 11:48 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-12 11:57 ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-12 13:32 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-16 9:30 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-08 3:02 ` [PATCH -mm] vmscan: make mapped executable pages the first class citizen Wu Fengguang
2009-05-08 7:30 ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-08 8:09 ` Wu Fengguang
2009-05-08 9:34 ` Minchan Kim
2009-05-08 14:25 ` Christoph Lameter
2009-05-08 14:34 ` Rik van Riel
2009-05-08 17:41 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-05-04 8:04 ` [PATCH] vmscan: evict use-once pages first (v2) Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-01 3:09 ` Elladan
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