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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Cc: Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, virtualization@lists.osdl.org,
	akpm@osdl.org, frankeh@watson.ibm.com, hugh@veritas.com
Subject: Re: [patch 0/6] Guest page hinting version 7.
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 06:22:29 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200904030622.30935.nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49D50CB7.2050705@redhat.com>

On Friday 03 April 2009 06:06:31 Rik van Riel wrote:
> Martin Schwidefsky wrote:
> > The benefits are the same but the algorithmic complexity is reduced.
> > The patch to the memory management has complexity in itself but from a
> > 1000 feet standpoint guest page hinting is simpler, no? 
> Page hinting has a complex, but well understood, mechanism
> and simple policy.
> 
> Ballooning has a simpler mechanism, but relies on an
> as-of-yet undiscovered policy.
> 
> Having experienced a zillion VM corner cases over the
> last decade and a bit, I think I prefer a complex mechanism
> over complex (or worse, unknown!) policy any day.

I disagree with it being so clear cut. Volatile pagecache policy is completely
out of the control of the Linux VM. Wheras ballooning does have to make some
tradeoff between guests, but the actual reclaim will be driven by the guests.
Neither way is perfect, but it's not like the hypervisor reclaim is foolproof
against making a bad tradeoff between guests.

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  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-02 19:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-27 15:09 Martin Schwidefsky
2009-03-27 15:09 ` [patch 1/6] Guest page hinting: core + volatile page cache Martin Schwidefsky
2009-03-27 22:57   ` Rik van Riel
2009-03-29 13:56     ` Martin Schwidefsky
2009-03-29 14:35       ` Rik van Riel
2009-03-27 15:09 ` [patch 2/6] Guest page hinting: volatile swap cache Martin Schwidefsky
2009-04-01  2:10   ` Rik van Riel
2009-04-01  8:13     ` Martin Schwidefsky
2009-03-27 15:09 ` [patch 3/6] Guest page hinting: mlocked pages Martin Schwidefsky
2009-04-01  2:52   ` Rik van Riel
2009-04-01  8:13     ` Martin Schwidefsky
2009-03-27 15:09 ` [patch 4/6] Guest page hinting: writable page table entries Martin Schwidefsky
2009-04-01 13:25   ` Rik van Riel
2009-04-01 14:36     ` Martin Schwidefsky
2009-04-01 14:45       ` Rik van Riel
2009-03-27 15:09 ` [patch 5/6] Guest page hinting: minor fault optimization Martin Schwidefsky
2009-04-01 15:33   ` Rik van Riel
2009-03-27 15:09 ` [patch 6/6] Guest page hinting: s390 support Martin Schwidefsky
2009-04-01 16:18   ` Rik van Riel
2009-03-27 23:03 ` [patch 0/6] Guest page hinting version 7 Dave Hansen
2009-03-28  0:06   ` Rik van Riel
2009-03-29 14:20     ` Martin Schwidefsky
2009-03-29 14:38       ` Rik van Riel
2009-03-29 14:12   ` Martin Schwidefsky
2009-03-30 15:54     ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-30 16:34       ` Martin Schwidefsky
2009-03-30 18:37       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-30 18:42         ` Rik van Riel
2009-03-30 18:59           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-30 20:02             ` Rik van Riel
2009-03-30 20:35               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-03-30 21:38                 ` Dor Laor
2009-03-30 22:16                   ` Izik Eidus
2009-03-28  6:35 ` Rusty Russell
2009-03-29 14:23   ` Martin Schwidefsky
2009-04-02 11:32     ` Nick Piggin
2009-04-02 15:52       ` Martin Schwidefsky
2009-04-02 16:18         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-04-02 16:23         ` Nick Piggin
2009-04-02 19:06         ` Rik van Riel
2009-04-02 19:22           ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2009-04-02 20:05             ` Rik van Riel
2009-04-03  0:50               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-04-02 19:58           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-04-02 20:14             ` Rik van Riel
2009-04-02 20:34               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-04-03  8:49                 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2009-04-03 18:19                   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-04-06  7:21                     ` Martin Schwidefsky
2009-04-06  7:32                       ` Nick Piggin
2009-04-06 19:23                       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2009-04-02 19:27         ` Hugh Dickins

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