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From: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
To: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Lee Schermerhorn <Lee.Schermerhorn@hp.com>
Subject: Re: [patch 3/3] mm: keep pages from unevictable mappings off the LRU  lists
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 01:48:38 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090326004838.GB5404@cmpxchg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090323182039.6A1B.A69D9226@jp.fujitsu.com>

On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 06:23:36PM +0900, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
> > > > this is the just reason why current code don't call add_page_to_unevictable_list().
> > > > add_page_to_unevictable_list() don't use pagevec. it is needed for avoiding race.
> > > > 
> > > > then, if readahead path (i.e. add_to_page_cache_lru()) use add_page_to_unevictable_list(),
> > > > it can cause zone->lru_lock contention storm.
> > > 
> > > How is it different then shrink_page_list()?  If readahead put a
> > > contiguous chunk of unevictable pages to the file lru, then
> > > shrink_page_list() will as well call add_page_to_unevictable_list() in
> > > a loop.
> > 
> > it's probability issue.
> > 
> > readahead: we need to concern
> > 	(1) readahead vs readahead
> > 	(2) readahead vs reclaim
> > 
> > vmscan: we need to concern
> > 	(3) background reclaim vs foreground reclaim
> > 
> > So, (3) is rarely event than (1) and (2).
> > Am I missing anything?
> 
> my last mail explanation is too poor. sorry.
> I don't dislike this patch concept. but it seems a bit naive against contention.
> if we can decrease contention risk, I can ack with presure.

My understanding is that when the mapping is truncated before the
pages are scanned for reclaim, then we have a net increase of risk for
the contention storm you describe.

Otherwise, we moved the contention from the reclaim path to the fault
path.

I don't know how likely readahead is.  It only happens when the
mapping was blown up with truncate, otherwise only writes add to the
cache in the ramfs case.

I will further look into this.

	Hannes

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  reply	other threads:[~2009-03-26  0:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20090311153034.9389.19938.stgit@warthog.procyon.org.uk>
2009-03-11 22:03 ` [PATCH] NOMMU: Pages allocated to a ramfs inode's pagecache may get wrongly discarded Andrew Morton
2009-03-11 22:36   ` Johannes Weiner
2009-03-12  0:02   ` Andrew Morton
2009-03-12  0:35     ` Minchan Kim
2009-03-12  1:04       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-03-12  1:52         ` Minchan Kim
2009-03-12  1:56           ` Minchan Kim
2009-03-12  2:00           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-03-12  2:11             ` Minchan Kim
2009-03-12 12:19         ` Robin Getz
2009-03-12 17:55           ` [uClinux-dev] " Jamie Lokier
2009-03-13 17:33         ` [PATCH 0/2] Make the Unevictable LRU available on NOMMU David Howells
2009-03-13 17:33           ` [PATCH 1/2] NOMMU: There is no mlock() for NOMMU, so don't provide the bits David Howells
2009-03-14 11:17             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-03-13 17:33           ` [PATCH 2/2] NOMMU: Make CONFIG_UNEVICTABLE_LRU available when CONFIG_MMU=n David Howells
2009-03-14 11:17             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-03-14  0:27           ` [PATCH 0/2] Make the Unevictable LRU available on NOMMU Minchan Kim
2009-03-20 16:08             ` Lee Schermerhorn
2009-03-20 16:24             ` David Howells
2009-03-20 18:30               ` Lee Schermerhorn
2009-03-21 10:20                 ` Johannes Weiner
2009-03-22 20:13                   ` [patch 1/3] mm: decouple unevictable lru from mmu Johannes Weiner
2009-03-22 23:46                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-03-23  0:14                       ` Johannes Weiner
2009-03-23 10:48                       ` David Howells
2009-03-22 20:13                   ` [patch 2/3] ramfs-nommu: use generic lru cache Johannes Weiner
2009-03-23  2:22                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-03-22 20:13                   ` [patch 3/3] mm: keep pages from unevictable mappings off the LRU lists Johannes Weiner
2009-03-23  0:44                     ` Minchan Kim
2009-03-23  2:21                       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-03-23  8:42                         ` Johannes Weiner
2009-03-23  9:01                           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-03-23  9:23                             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-03-26  0:48                               ` Johannes Weiner [this message]
2009-03-23 10:40                   ` [patch 2/3] ramfs-nommu: use generic lru cache David Howells
2009-03-23 10:53                   ` [patch 3/3] mm: keep pages from unevictable mappings off the LRU lists David Howells
2009-03-26  0:01                     ` Johannes Weiner
2009-03-26  8:56                       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-03-26 10:36                         ` Johannes Weiner
2009-03-23 20:07                   ` [PATCH 0/2] Make the Unevictable LRU available on NOMMU Lee Schermerhorn
2009-03-13 11:53       ` [PATCH] NOMMU: Pages allocated to a ramfs inode's pagecache may get wrongly discarded David Howells
2009-03-13 22:49         ` Johannes Weiner

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