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From: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>
To: balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Cc: kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	YAMAMOTO Takashi <yamamoto@valinux.co.jp>,
	lizf@cn.fujitsu.com, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/4] Memory controller soft limit reclaim on contention (v5)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:31:41 +0900 (JST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090313132426.AF4D.A69D9226@jp.fujitsu.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090313041341.GA16897@balbir.in.ibm.com>

> > > -	did_some_progress = try_to_free_pages(zonelist, order, gfp_mask);
> > > +	/*
> > > +	 * Try to free up some pages from the memory controllers soft
> > > +	 * limit queue.
> > > +	 */
> > > +	did_some_progress = mem_cgroup_soft_limit_reclaim(zonelist, gfp_mask);
> > > +	if (!order || !did_some_progress)
> > > +		did_some_progress += try_to_free_pages(zonelist, order,
> > > +							gfp_mask);
> > 
> > I have two objection to this.
> > 
> > - "if (!order || !did_some_progress)" mean no call try_to_free_pages()
> >   in order>0 and did_some_progress>0 case.
> >   but mem_cgroup_soft_limit_reclaim() don't have lumpy reclaim.
> >   then, it break high order reclaim.
> 
> I am sending a fix for this right away. Thanks, the check should be
> if (order || !did_some_progress)

No.

it isn't enough.
after is does, order-1 allocation case twrice reclaim (soft limit shrinking
and normal try_to_free_pages()).
then, order-1 reclaim makes slower about 2 times.

unfortunately, order-1 allocation is very frequent. it is used for
kernel stack.


> > - in global reclaim view, foreground reclaim and background reclaim's
> >   reclaim rate is about 1:9 typically.
> >   then, kswapd reclaim the pages by global lru order before proceccing
> >   this logic.
> >   IOW, this soft limit is not SOFT.
> 
> It depends on what you mean by soft. I call them soft since they are
> imposed only when there is contention. If you mean kswapd runs more
> often than direct reclaim, that is true, but it does not impact this
> code extensively since the high water mark is a very small compared to
> the pages present on the system.

No.

My point is, contention case kswapd wakeup. and kswapd reclaim by
global lru order before soft limit shrinking.
Therefore, In typical usage, mem_cgroup_soft_limit_reclaim() almost
don't call properly.

soft limit shrinking should run before processing global reclaim.


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  reply	other threads:[~2009-03-13  4:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-12 17:56 [PATCH 0/4] Memory controller soft limit patches (v5) Balbir Singh
2009-03-12 17:56 ` [PATCH 1/4] Memory controller soft limit documentation (v5) Balbir Singh
2009-03-12 17:56 ` [PATCH 2/4] Memory controller soft limit interface (v5) Balbir Singh
2009-03-12 22:59   ` Andrew Morton
2009-03-13  4:58     ` Balbir Singh
2009-03-12 17:56 ` [PATCH 3/4] Memory controller soft limit organize cgroups (v5) Balbir Singh
2009-03-12 23:04   ` Andrew Morton
2009-03-13  5:03     ` Balbir Singh
2009-03-13  0:47   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-03-13  5:04     ` Balbir Singh
2009-03-13  5:22       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-03-13  8:20         ` Balbir Singh
2009-03-13  6:59   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-03-13  7:09     ` Balbir Singh
2009-03-12 17:56 ` [PATCH 4/4] Memory controller soft limit reclaim on contention (v5) Balbir Singh
2009-03-12 23:34   ` Andrew Morton
2009-03-13  7:53     ` Balbir Singh
2009-03-13  1:36   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-03-13  4:13     ` Balbir Singh
2009-03-13  4:31       ` KOSAKI Motohiro [this message]
2009-03-13  4:50         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-03-13  5:07           ` Balbir Singh
2009-03-13  6:54             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-03-13  7:03               ` Balbir Singh
2009-03-13  7:17                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-03-13  7:26                   ` Balbir Singh
2009-03-13  8:37                     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-03-13  5:26           ` Balbir Singh
2009-03-13  5:34             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-03-13  4:58         ` Balbir Singh
2009-03-13  6:51   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-03-13  7:15     ` Balbir Singh
2009-03-13  8:41       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-03-13  7:02 ` [PATCH 0/4] Memory controller soft limit patches (v5) KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-03-13  7:07   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2009-03-13  7:15     ` Andrew Morton
2009-03-13  7:29       ` Balbir Singh
2009-03-13  7:18     ` Balbir Singh

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