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From: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
To: Vladislav Bolkhovitin <vst@vlnb.net>
Cc: "David M. Lloyd" <dmlloyd@flurg.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
	linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	scst-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Bart Van Assche <bart.vanassche@gmail.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC]: Support for zero-copy TCP transmit of user space data
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:07:02 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081219190701.GP32491@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <494BDBC5.7050701@vlnb.net>

On Fri, Dec 19 2008, Vladislav Bolkhovitin wrote:
> David M. Lloyd, on 12/18/2008 09:43 PM wrote:
> >On 12/18/2008 12:35 PM, Vladislav Bolkhovitin wrote:
> >>An iSCSI target driver iSCSI-SCST was a part of the patchset 
> >>(http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/12/10/293). For it a nice optimization to 
> >>have TCP zero-copy transmit of user space data was implemented. Patch, 
> >>implementing this optimization was also sent in the patchset, see 
> >>http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/12/10/296.
> >
> >I'm probably ignorant of about 90% of the context here, but isn't this the 
> >sort of problem that was supposed to have been solved by vmsplice(2)?
> 
> No, vmsplice can't help here. ISCSI-SCST is a kernel space driver. But, 
> even if it was a user space driver, vmsplice wouldn't change anything 
> much. It doesn't have a possibility for a user to know, when 
> transmission of the data finished. So, it is intended to be used as: 
> vmsplice() buffer -> munmap() the buffer -> mmap() new buffer -> 
> vmsplice() it. But on the mmap() stage kernel has to zero all the newly 
> mapped pages and zeroing memory isn't much faster, than copying it. 
> Hence, there would be no considerable performance increase.

vmsplice() isn't the right choice, but splice() very well could be. You
could easily use splice internally as well. The vmsplice() part sort-of
applies in the sense that you want to fill pages into a pipe, which is
essentially what vmsplice() does. You'd need some helper to do that. And
the ack-on-xmit-done bits is something that splice-to-socket needs
anyway, so I think it'd be quite a suitable choice for this.

-- 
Jens Axboe

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  reply	other threads:[~2008-12-19 19:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2008-12-18 18:35                   ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-12-18 18:43                     ` David M. Lloyd
2008-12-19 17:37                       ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-12-19 19:07                         ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2008-12-19 19:17                           ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-12-19 19:27                             ` Jens Axboe
2008-12-19 21:58                               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2008-12-23 19:11                               ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-12-19 11:27                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-12-19 17:38                       ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin
2008-12-19 18:00                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-12-19 17:57                           ` Vladislav Bolkhovitin

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