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From: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
To: "Thomas Hellström" <thomas@tungstengraphics.com>
Cc: keith.packard@intel.com, eric@anholt.net, hugh@veritas.com,
	hch@infradead.org, airlied@linux.ie, jbarnes@virtuousgeek.org,
	dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [patch] mm: pageable memory allocator (for DRM-GEM?)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 02:18:56 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080925001856.GB23494@wotan.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48D8C326.80909@tungstengraphics.com>

On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 12:21:26PM +0200, Thomas Hellstrom wrote:
> Nick,
> From my point of view, this is exactly what's needed, although there 
> might be some different opinions among the
> DRM developers. A question:
> 
> Sometimes it's desirable to indicate that a page / object is "cleaned", 
> which would mean data has moved and is backed by device memory. In that 
> case one could either free the object or indicate to it that it can 
> release it's pages. Is freeing / recreating such an object an expensive 
> operation? Would it, in that case, be possible to add an object / page 
> "cleaned" function?

Ah, interesting... freeing/recreating isn't _too_ expensive, but it is
going to have to allocate a lot of pages (for a big object) and copy
a lot of memory. It's strange to say "cleaned", in a sense, because the
allocator itself doesn't know it is being used as a writeback cache ;)
(and it might get confusing with the shmem implementation because your
cleaned != shmem cleaned!).

I understand the operation you need, but it's tricky to make it work in
the existing shmem / vm infrastructure I think. Let's call it "dontneed",
and I'll add a hook in there we can play with later to see if it helps?

What I could imagine is to have a second backing store (not shmem), which
"dontneed" pages go onto, and they simply get discarded rather than swapped
out (eg. via the ->shrinker() memory pressure indicator). You could then
also register a callback to recreate these parts of memory if they have been
discarded then become used again. It wouldn't be terribly difficult come to
think of it... would that be useful?

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-09-25  0:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-23  9:10 Nick Piggin
2008-09-23 10:21 ` Thomas Hellström
2008-09-23 11:31   ` Jerome Glisse
2008-09-23 13:18     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-09-25  0:18   ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2008-09-25  7:19     ` Thomas Hellström
2008-09-25 14:38       ` Keith Packard
2008-09-25 15:39         ` Thomas Hellström
2008-09-25 22:41           ` Dave Airlie
2008-09-23 15:50 ` Keith Packard
2008-09-23 18:29   ` Jerome Glisse
2008-09-25  0:30   ` Nick Piggin
2008-09-25  1:20     ` Keith Packard
2008-09-25  2:30       ` Nick Piggin
2008-09-25  2:43         ` Keith Packard
2008-09-25  3:07           ` Nick Piggin
2008-09-25  6:16             ` Keith Packard
2008-09-25  8:45 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-09-30  1:10 ` Eric Anholt
2008-10-02 17:15   ` Jesse Barnes
2008-10-03  5:17     ` Keith Packard
2008-10-03  6:40       ` Nick Piggin
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2008-09-23  9:10 Nick Piggin

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