From: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Avi Kivity <avi@qumranet.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
shaggy@austin.ibm.com, axboe@kernel.dk, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, Clark Williams <williams@redhat.com>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Subject: Re: [patch 2/2]: introduce fast_gup
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 05:23:19 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080422032319.GB21993@wotan.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1208788547.7115.204.camel@twins>
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 04:35:47PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-04-21 at 16:26 +0300, Avi Kivity wrote:
> > Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2008-04-21 at 15:00 +0300, Avi Kivity wrote:
> > >
> > >> Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Finally, I don't think that comment is correct in the first place. It's
> > >>> not that simple. The thing is, even *with* the memory barrier in place, we
> > >>> may have:
> > >>>
> > >>> CPU#1 CPU#2
> > >>> ===== =====
> > >>>
> > >>> fast_gup:
> > >>> - read low word
> > >>>
> > >>> native_set_pte_present:
> > >>> - set low word to 0
> > >>> - set high word to new value
> > >>>
> > >>> - read high word
> > >>>
> > >>> - set low word to new value
> > >>>
> > >>> and so you read a low word that is associated with a *different* high
> > >>> word! Notice?
> > >>>
> > >>> So trivial memory ordering is _not_ enough.
> > >>>
> > >>> So I think the code literally needs to be something like this
> > >>>
> > >>> #ifdef CONFIG_X86_PAE
> > >>>
> > >>> static inline pte_t native_get_pte(pte_t *ptep)
> > >>> {
> > >>> pte_t pte;
> > >>>
> > >>> retry:
> > >>> pte.pte_low = ptep->pte_low;
> > >>> smp_rmb();
> > >>> pte.pte_high = ptep->pte_high;
> > >>> smp_rmb();
> > >>> if (unlikely(pte.pte_low != ptep->pte_low)
> > >>> goto retry;
> > >>> return pte;
> > >>> }
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> I think this is still broken. Suppose that after reading pte_high
> > >> native_set_pte() is called again on another cpu, changing pte_low back
> > >> to the original value (but with a different pte_high). You now have
> > >> pte_low from second native_set_pte() but pte_high from the first
> > >> native_set_pte().
> > >>
> > >
> > > I think the idea was that for user pages we only use set_pte_present()
> > > which does the low=0 thing first.
> > >
> >
> > Doesn't matter. The second native_set_pte() (or set_pte_present())
> > executes atomically:
> >
> >
> > fast_gup:
> > - read low word (l0)
> >
> > native_set_pte_present:
> > - set low word to 0
> > - set high word to new value (h1)
> > - set low word to new value (l1)
> >
> >
> > - read high word (h1)
> >
> > native_set_pte_present:
> > - set low word to 0
> > - set high word to new value (h2)
> > - set low word to new value (l2)
> >
> > - re-read low word (l2)
> >
> >
> > If l2 happens to be equal to l0, then the check succeeds and we have a
> > splintered pte h1:l0.
>
> ok, so lets use cmpxchg8.
That's horrible ;)
Anyway guys you are missing the other side of the equation -- that whenever
_PAGE_PRESENT is cleared, all CPUs where current->mm might be == mm have to
have a tlb flush. And we're holding off tlb flushes in fast_gup, that's the
whole reason why it all works.
Indeed we do need Linus's loop, though, because I wasn't thinking of the
teardown side when writing that comment it seems (teardowns under
mmu_gather can and do set the pte to some arbitrary values before the
IPI goes out -- but they will never contain _PAGE_PRESENT we can be sure).
Linus's loop I will use for PAE. I'd love to know whether the hardware
walker actually does an atomic 64-bit load or not, though.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-04-22 3:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-03-28 2:54 [patch 0/2]: lockless get_user_pages patchset Nick Piggin
2008-03-28 2:55 ` [patch 1/2]: x86: implement pte_special Nick Piggin
2008-03-28 3:23 ` David Miller, Nick Piggin
2008-03-28 3:31 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-28 3:44 ` David Miller, Nick Piggin
2008-03-28 4:04 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-28 4:09 ` David Miller, Nick Piggin
2008-03-28 4:15 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-28 4:16 ` David Miller, Nick Piggin
2008-03-28 4:19 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-28 4:17 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-28 3:00 ` [patch 2/2]: introduce fast_gup Nick Piggin
2008-03-28 10:01 ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-17 15:03 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-17 15:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-17 16:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-17 16:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-17 16:35 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-17 16:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-17 17:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-17 18:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-22 3:14 ` Nick Piggin
2008-04-18 6:31 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-04-18 14:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-18 9:58 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-21 12:00 ` Avi Kivity
2008-04-21 12:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-21 13:26 ` Avi Kivity
2008-04-21 14:35 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-22 3:23 ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2008-04-22 7:19 ` Avi Kivity
2008-04-22 8:07 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-22 9:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-22 9:46 ` Nick Piggin
2008-05-14 18:33 ` Dave Kleikamp
2008-05-15 1:13 ` Nick Piggin
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