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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH prototype] [0/8] Predictive bitmaps for ELF executables
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:57:15 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080318095715.27120788.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080318141828.GD11966@one.firstfloor.org>

On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:18:28 +0100 Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 18, 2008 at 12:36:20AM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 02:09:34 +0100 (CET) Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > This patchkit is an experimental optimization I played around with 
> > > some time ago.
> > > 
> > > This is more a prototype still, but I wanted to push it out 
> > > so that other people can play with it.
> > > 
> > > The basic idea is that most programs have the same working set
> > > over multiple runs. So instead of demand paging all the text pages
> > > in the order the program runs save the working set to disk and prefetch
> > > it at program start and then save it at program exit.
> > > 
> > > This allows some optimizations: 
> > > - it can avoid unnecessary disk seeks because the blocks will be fetched in 
> > > sorted offset order instead of program execution order. 
> > > - batch kernel entries (each demand page exception has some
> > > overhead just for entering the kernel). This keeps the caches hot too.
> > > - The prefetch could be in theory done in the background while the program 
> > > runs (although that is not implemented currently)
> > 
> > Should be worthwhile for some things.
> > 
> > > Some details on the implementation:
> > 
> > Can't this all be done in userspace?  Hook into exit() with an LD_PRELOAD,
> 
> In theory yes, but it would have much more overhead.

s/much/slightly/.  The main win will be in optimising disk patterns.  We
can fault in cached pages at, what?  A few GB/sec?

> Also I think prefetching
> algorithms like this really belong in the kernel.

hrmph.

> > > - Executable files have to be writable by the user executing it
> > > currently to get bitmap updates. It would be possible to let the 
> > > kernel bypass this, but I haven't thought too much about the security 
> > > implications of it.
> > > However any user can use the bitmap data written by a user with
> > > write rights.
> > 
> > Those all get fixed with the userspace version?
> 
> No in fact the permission problem is much harder to fix in user space.

What's the permission problem?  executable-but-not-readable files?  Could
be handled by passing your request to a suitable-privileged server process,
I guess.

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  reply	other threads:[~2008-03-18 16:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-03-18  1:09 Andi Kleen
2008-03-18  1:09 ` [PATCH prototype] [1/8] Give ELF shdr types a name Andi Kleen
2008-03-18  1:09 ` [PATCH prototype] [2/8] Add support to override mmap exec write protection with O_FORCEWRITE Andi Kleen
2008-03-18  1:09 ` [PATCH prototype] [3/8] Make readahead max pinned value a sysctl Andi Kleen
2008-03-18  1:09 ` [PATCH prototype] [4/8] Add readahead function to read-ahead based on a bitmap Andi Kleen
2008-03-18  1:09 ` [PATCH prototype] [5/8] Add ELF constants for pbitmaps Andi Kleen
2008-03-18  1:09 ` [PATCH prototype] [6/8] Core predictive bitmap engine Andi Kleen
2008-03-18  1:09 ` [PATCH prototype] [7/8] Add the sysctls to control pbitmaps Andi Kleen
2008-03-18  1:09 ` [PATCH prototype] [8/8] Add mmap_full_slurp support Andi Kleen
2008-03-18  7:36 ` [PATCH prototype] [0/8] Predictive bitmaps for ELF executables Andrew Morton
2008-03-18 14:18   ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-18 16:57     ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2008-03-18 17:20       ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-18 17:44         ` Andrew Morton
2008-03-19  8:32           ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-19  9:04             ` Andrew Morton
2008-03-19 22:45               ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-03-19 23:12                 ` Andrew Morton
2008-03-20  0:09                   ` David Miller, Andrew Morton
2008-03-20  9:00                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-21 17:15                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-03-21 17:26                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-22  4:36                       ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-03-22  7:17                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-22  7:24                           ` Nicholas Miell
2008-03-22  9:10                             ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-22 10:16                               ` Nicholas Miell
2008-03-22 14:29                                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-23 13:25                                   ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-23 17:08                                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-24 16:24                                       ` Pavel Machek
2008-03-24  4:20                               ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-03-24  5:16                                 ` Nicholas Miell
2008-03-24  5:26                                   ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-24 19:42                                   ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-03-24 21:47                                     ` Nicholas Miell
2008-03-25  7:54                                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-26 18:15                                       ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-03-26 18:54                                         ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-22  4:38                       ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-03-20  0:15               ` Diego Calleja

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