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From: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
To: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
Cc: Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
	Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [patch 0/8] slub: Fallback to order 0 and variable order slab support
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 12:20:08 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080304122008.GB19606@csn.ul.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080229044803.482012397@sgi.com>

On (28/02/08 20:48), Christoph Lameter didst pronounce:
> This is the patchset that was posted two weeks ago modified according
> to the feedback that Pekka gave. I would like to put these patches
> into mm.
> 

I haven't reviewed the patches properly but I put them through a quick test
against 2.6.25-rc3 to see what the performnace was like and the superpage
allocation success rates were like. Performance wise, it looked like

				Loss	to	Gain
Kernbench Elapsed time		 -0.64%		0.32%
Kernbench Total time		 -0.61%		0.48%
Hackbench sockets-12 clients	 -2.95%		5.13%
Hackbench pipes-12 clients	-16.95%		9.27%
TBench 4 clients		 -1.98%		8.2%
DBench 4 clients (ext2)		 -5.9%		7.99%

So, running with the high orders is not a clear-cut win to my eyes. What
did you test to show that it was a general win justifying a high-order by
default? From looking through, tbench seems to be the only obvious one to
gain but the rest, it is not clear at all. I'll try give sysbench a spin
later to see if it is clear-cut.

However, in *all* cases, superpage allocations were less successful and in
some cases it was severely regressed (one machine went from 81% success rate
to 36%). Sufficient statistics are not gathered to see why this happened
in retrospect but my suspicion would be that high-order RECLAIMABLE and
UNMOVABLE slub allocations routinely fall back to the less fragmented
MOVABLE pageblocks with these patches - something that is normally a very
rare event. This change in assumption hurts fragmentation avoidance and
chances are the long-term behaviour of these patches is not great.

If this guess is correct, using a high-order size by default is a bad plan
and it should only be set when it is known that the target workload benefits
and superpage allocations are not a concern. Alternative, set high-order by
default only for a limited number of caches that are RECLAIMABLE (or better
yet ones we know can be directly reclaimed with the slub-defrag patches).

As it is, this is painful from a fragmentation perspective and the
performance win is not clear-cut.

> This patchset makes slub capable of handling arbitrary sizes of pages.
> This means that a slab cache that currently uses order 1 because of
> packing density issues can fallback to order 0 allocations if memory
> becomes fragmented. All allocations for objects <= PAGE_SIZE can fall
> back like that. So a single slab may contain various sizes of pages
> that may contain more or less objects.
> 
> On the other hand it also enables slub to use larger page orders by
> default since it is now no problem to fall back to an order 0 alloc.
> The default max order is set to 4 which means that 64K compound pages
> can beused in some situations for large objects that do not fit into smaller
> pages. This in turn increases the number of times slub can use its
> fastpath before a fallback to the page allocator has to occur.
> 
> The patchset realizes the initial intend of providing a feature
> comparable with the per cpu queue size in slab. The order for
> each slab cache can be configured from user space while the system
> is running. Increasing the default allocation order can be used to
> tune slub like slab.
> 
> The allocated sizes can then also be effectively controlled via boot
> parameters (slub_min_order and slub_max_order).
> 
> The patchset is also available via git
> 
> git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/christoph/vm.git slab-mm
> 

-- 
Mel Gorman
Part-time Phd Student                          Linux Technology Center
University of Limerick                         IBM Dublin Software Lab

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-03-04 12:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20080229044803.482012397@sgi.com>
     [not found] ` <20080229044820.044485187@sgi.com>
2008-02-29  8:13   ` [patch 7/8] slub: Make the order configurable for each slab cache Pekka Enberg
2008-02-29 19:37     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-01  9:47       ` Pekka Enberg
2008-03-03 17:49         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-03 22:56           ` Pekka Enberg
2008-03-03 23:36             ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found] ` <20080229044820.298792748@sgi.com>
2008-02-29  8:13   ` [patch 8/8] slub: Simplify any_slab_object checks Pekka Enberg
     [not found] ` <20080229044819.800974712@sgi.com>
2008-02-29  8:19   ` [patch 6/8] slub: Adjust order boundaries and minimum objects per slab Pekka Enberg
2008-02-29 19:41     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-01  9:58       ` Pekka J Enberg
2008-03-03 17:52         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-03 21:34           ` Matt Mackall
2008-03-03 22:36             ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found] ` <20080229044818.999367120@sgi.com>
2008-02-29  8:59   ` [patch 3/8] slub: Update statistics handling for variable order slabs Pekka Enberg
2008-02-29 19:43     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-01 10:29   ` Pekka Enberg
2008-03-04 12:20 ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2008-03-04 18:53   ` [patch 0/8] slub: Fallback to order 0 and variable order slab support Christoph Lameter
2008-03-05 18:28     ` Mel Gorman
2008-03-05 18:52       ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-06 22:04         ` Mel Gorman
2008-03-06 22:18           ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-07 12:17             ` Mel Gorman
2008-03-07 19:50               ` Christoph Lameter
2008-03-04 19:01   ` Matt Mackall
2008-03-05  0:04     ` Christoph Lameter

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