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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@cpushare.com>
To: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@cpushare.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 11 of 11] not-wait-memdie
Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2008 08:45:02 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080108074502.GF22800@v2.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200801081425.31515.nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>

On Tue, Jan 08, 2008 at 02:25:31PM +1100, Nick Piggin wrote:
> We already do that today in the case of regular page reclaim.

exactly. And we have to set TIF_MEMDIE on more than one task in case
we have a locking dependency like the ones I can trivially reproduce.

> The problem is the global reserve. Once you have a kernel that doesn't
> need this handwavy global reserve for forward progress, a lot of little
> problems go away.

Yep.

> It should be, but that task you OOM may be blocking on another one that
> is waiting for memory, for example.

Exactly.

> In practice, I think a task will not need a great deal of memory in order
> to finish what it is doing and exit; but it will be more likely to be in
> some oom deadlock. So neither solution is perfect, but I think this patch
> will solve more cases than it introduces.

Yes. The memory reserve being accessed by more than one TIF_MEMDIE
task is the least of the problems. Also consider the first task will
normally not even try to use the memory reserve at all, because if we
set TIF_MEMDIE on a second task, it's because the first task was
normally totally stuck on a lock and sleeping in D state the whole time.

> Why not just have a global frequency limit on OOM events. Then the panic
> has this delay factored in...

My current pathset uses 1min as max frequency.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-01-08  7:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-03  2:09 [PATCH 00 of 11] oom deadlock fixes Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-03  2:09 ` [PATCH 01 of 11] limit shrink zone scanning Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-07 19:11   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-03  2:09 ` [PATCH 02 of 11] avoid oom deadlock in nfs_create_request Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-07 19:13   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-03  2:09 ` [PATCH 03 of 11] prevent oom deadlocks during read/write operations Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-07 19:15   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-07 19:26     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-03  2:09 ` [PATCH 04 of 11] avoid selecting already killed tasks Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-03  9:40   ` David Rientjes
2008-01-03 13:41     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-03 18:47       ` David Rientjes
2008-01-03 19:54         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-03 20:49           ` David Rientjes
2008-01-07 19:17   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-03  2:09 ` [PATCH 05 of 11] reduce the probability of an OOM livelock Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-07 19:32   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-03  2:09 ` [PATCH 06 of 11] balance_pgdat doesn't return the number of pages freed Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-07 19:33   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-03  2:09 ` [PATCH 07 of 11] don't depend on PF_EXITING tasks to go away Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-03  9:52   ` David Rientjes
2008-01-03 13:29     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-03  2:09 ` [PATCH 08 of 11] stop useless vm trashing while we wait the TIF_MEMDIE task to exit Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-03  2:09 ` [PATCH 09 of 11] oom select should only take rss into account Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-07 19:35   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-03  2:09 ` [PATCH 10 of 11] limit reclaim if enough pages have been freed Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-07 19:37   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-08  7:28     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-03  2:09 ` [PATCH 11 of 11] not-wait-memdie Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-03  9:55   ` David Rientjes
2008-01-03 13:06     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-03 18:54       ` David Rientjes
2008-01-07 19:43   ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-08  1:57     ` David Rientjes
2008-01-08  3:25       ` Nick Piggin
2008-01-08  3:37         ` David Rientjes
2008-01-08  7:42           ` Nick Piggin
2008-01-08  7:45         ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2008-01-08  7:37       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-08  7:31     ` Andrea Arcangeli

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