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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	Theodore Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu>
Subject: Re: [patch][rfc] rewrite ramdisk
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:49:13 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200710172249.13877.nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m16416f2y8.fsf@ebiederm.dsl.xmission.com>

On Wednesday 17 October 2007 20:30, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au> writes:
> > On Tuesday 16 October 2007 18:08, Nick Piggin wrote:
> >> On Tuesday 16 October 2007 14:57, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> >> > > What magic restrictions on page allocations? Actually we have
> >> > > fewer restrictions on page allocations because we can use
> >> > > highmem!
> >> >
> >> > With the proposed rewrite yes.
> >
> > Here's a quick first hack...
> >
> > Comments?
>
> I have beaten my version of this into working shape, and things
> seem ok.
>
> However I'm beginning to think that the real solution is to remove
> the dependence on buffer heads for caching the disk mapping for
> data pages, and move the metadata buffer heads off of the block
> device page cache pages.  Although I am just a touch concerned
> there may be an issue with using filesystem tools while the
> filesystem is mounted if I move the metadata buffer heads.
>
> If we were to move the metadata buffer heads (assuming I haven't
> missed some weird dependency) then I think there a bunch of
> weird corner cases that would be simplified.

I'd prefer just to go along the lines of what I posted. It's
a pure block device driver which knows absolutely nothing about
vm or vfs.

What are you guys using rd for, and is it really important to
have this supposed buffercache optimisation?


> I guess that is where I look next.
>
> Oh for what it is worth I took a quick look at fsblock and I don't think
> struct fsblock makes much sense as a block mapping translation layer for
> the data path where the current page caches works well.

Except the page cache doesn't store any such translation. fsblock
works very nicely as a buffer_head and nobh-mode replacement there,
but we could probably go one better (for many filesystems) by using
a tree.


> For less 
> then the cost of 1 fsblock I can cache all of the translations for a
> 1K filesystem on a 4K page.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean, unless you're talking about an
extent based data structure. fsblock is fairly slim as far as a
generic solution goes. You could probably save 4 or 8 bytes in it,
but I don't know if it's worth the trouble.


> I haven't looked to see if fsblock makes sense to use as a buffer head
> replacement yet.

Well I don't want to get too far off topic on the subject of fsblock,
and block mappings (because I think the ramdisk driver simply should
have nothing to do with any of that)... but fsblock is exactly a
buffer head replacement (so if it doesn't make sense, then I've
screwed something up badly! ;))

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  reply	other threads:[~2007-10-17 12:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-10-15  8:28 [PATCH resend] ramdisk: fix zeroed ramdisk pages on memory pressure Christian Borntraeger
2007-10-15 14:06 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-15  9:05   ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-10-15 14:38     ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-15 18:38       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-15 22:37         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-15 22:40           ` [PATCH] rd: Preserve the dirty bit in init_page_buffers() Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-15 22:42             ` [PATCH] rd: Mark ramdisk buffers heads dirty Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-16  7:56               ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-10-16  9:22                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-17 16:14                 ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-10-17 17:57                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-17 19:14                     ` Chris Mason
2007-10-17 20:29                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-17 20:54                         ` Chris Mason
2007-10-17 21:30                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-17 22:58                             ` Chris Mason
2007-10-17 23:28                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-18  0:03                                 ` Chris Mason
2007-10-18  3:27                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-18  3:59                                   ` [RFC][PATCH] block: Isolate the buffer cache in it's own mappings Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-18  4:32                                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-10-19 21:27                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-21  4:24                                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-21  4:53                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-21  5:36                                             ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-21  7:09                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-22  0:15                                           ` David Chinner
2007-10-18  5:10                                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-19 21:35                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-17 21:48                     ` [PATCH] rd: Mark ramdisk buffers heads dirty Christian Borntraeger
2007-10-17 22:22                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-18  9:26                         ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-10-19 22:46                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-19 22:51                           ` [PATCH] rd: Use a private inode for backing storage Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-21  4:28                             ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-21  5:10                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-21  5:24                                 ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-21  6:48                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-21  7:28                                     ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-10-21  8:23                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-21  9:56                                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-21 18:39                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-22  1:56                                             ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-22 13:11                                             ` Chris Mason
2007-10-21  9:39                                     ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-21 17:56                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-22  0:29                                         ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-16  8:19               ` [PATCH] rd: Mark ramdisk buffers heads dirty Nick Piggin
2007-10-16  8:48                 ` Christian Borntraeger
2007-10-16 19:06                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-16 22:06                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-16  8:12             ` [PATCH] rd: Preserve the dirty bit in init_page_buffers() Nick Piggin
2007-10-16  9:35               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-15  9:16   ` [PATCH resend] ramdisk: fix zeroed ramdisk pages on memory pressure Andrew Morton
2007-10-15 15:23     ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-16  3:14       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-16  6:45         ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-16  4:57           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-16  8:08             ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-16  7:47               ` [patch][rfc] rewrite ramdisk Nick Piggin
2007-10-16  7:52                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-16  8:07                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-16  8:17                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-16  8:26                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-16  8:53                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-10-16  9:08                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-16 21:28                 ` Theodore Tso
2007-10-16 22:08                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-16 23:48                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-17  0:28                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-17  1:13                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-17  1:47                           ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-17 10:30                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-17 12:49                   ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2007-10-17 18:45                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-10-18  1:06                       ` Nick Piggin

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