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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com>
Cc: Lee Schermerhorn <Lee.Schermerhorn@hp.com>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	mel@skynet.ie, y-goto@jp.fujitsu.com,
	Kamezawa Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Eric Whitney <eric.whitney@hp.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH/RFC]  Add node 'states' sysfs class attribute - V2
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:18:22 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070827201822.2506b888.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0708271826180.10344@schroedinger.engr.sgi.com>

On Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:29:26 -0700 (PDT) Christoph Lameter <clameter@sgi.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 27 Aug 2007, Andrew Morton wrote:
> 
> > > online: 0-1, 3
> > 
> > really?  with commas and spaces and minus signs and colons?  ug, what next?
> > animated ascii art?  This is sysfs, not procfs ;)
> 
> The masks can get quite ugly to read if you have lots of nodes. F.e. with 
> 1024 nodes you get a line that wraps around more than 10 times.

So don't read them - use a program to turn them into your preferred
human-readable representation.

One could argue that with sufficient effort, all formats are
machine-digestible, but a simple, robust and maintainable format like a
bitmap makes sense for a kernel->userspace interface, IMO.

We see this often, btw.  People want nice and easy-to-read kernel->human
interfaces because the tool of choice for displaying these things to humans
is "cat".  How lame is that?

I do think that a sysfs interface like this should be optimised for
kernel->program communication, not for kernel->human.


> > OK, well if the meminfo file is the only one in there which broke the
> > golden rule, I don't think we have sufficient excuse to break it again.
> > 
> > $ cat  /sys/devices/system/node/possible
> > 0-4
> > $
> > 
> > I think a bitmap would be better, personally.
> > 
> > That in fact makes "possible" unneeded, doesn't it?  It would always be
> > all-ones?
> 
> There could be the case that nodes 1-9 and 20-29 are possible but 
> the ones in between are not available.

OK.

How do we communicate to userspace what is the maximum number of nodes
which this kernel supports?  That would be (1<<CONFIG_NODES_SHIFT), I
guess.  Or maybe we don't care?

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  reply	other threads:[~2007-08-28  3:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <200708242228.l7OMS5fU017948@imap1.linux-foundation.org>
2007-08-27 15:58 ` [PATCH] 2.6.23-rc3-mm1 - update N_HIGH_MEMORY node state for memory hotadd Lee Schermerhorn
2007-08-27 17:48 ` [PATCH/RFC] Add node 'states' sysfs class attribute Lee Schermerhorn
2007-08-27 19:11   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-27 20:08     ` Lee Schermerhorn
2007-08-27 20:15       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-27 21:02 ` [PATCH/RFC] Add node 'states' sysfs class attribute - V2 Lee Schermerhorn
2007-08-27 21:04   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-28  0:01   ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-28  0:08     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-28  1:14       ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-28  1:29         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-28  3:18           ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2007-08-28  5:15             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-28  5:29               ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-28  5:34                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-28  5:53                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-28  6:12                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-28 14:05                     ` Lee Schermerhorn
2007-08-28 22:02                       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-28 22:13                         ` Nish Aravamudan
2007-08-29 14:43                           ` Lee Schermerhorn
2007-08-29 17:39                             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-29 21:31                               ` [PATCH/RFC] Add node states sysfs class attributeS - V3 Lee Schermerhorn
2007-08-29 22:14                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-30 13:34                                   ` Lee Schermerhorn
2007-08-29 22:36                                 ` Nish Aravamudan
2007-08-30 15:19                               ` [PATCH/RFC] Add node states sysfs class attributeS - V4 Lee Schermerhorn
2007-08-30 16:44                                 ` Nish Aravamudan
2007-08-30 18:20                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-30 18:19                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-30 18:41                                   ` Lee Schermerhorn
2007-09-11 13:56                               ` [PATCH/RFC] Add node states sysfs class attributeS - V5 Lee Schermerhorn
2007-09-11 20:25                                 ` Christoph Lameter
2007-09-14 10:50                                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-09-14 11:35                                   ` Andy Whitcroft
2007-09-14 14:34                                     ` Lee Schermerhorn
2007-09-14 14:43                                   ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-14 15:00                                     ` Paul Mundt
2007-09-16 12:10                                       ` Mel Gorman
2007-09-14 16:00                                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2007-08-28 19:34                     ` [PATCH/RFC] Add node 'states' sysfs class attribute - V2 Christoph Lameter
2007-08-28  1:16   ` Yasunori Goto
2007-08-28  1:21     ` Yasunori Goto

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